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Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#51
post #46

"Unfortunately, notifications were not addressed in iPhone OS 4.0." OK, it was kind of passive aggressive of you (the author of the post) to just state this without any explanation backing it up, but I'll bite. Please do give us your rant about how local notifications (introduced in OS 4.0) in addition to the already existing push notifications does not address notifications. Or maybe you just missed that part?

Well, it wasn't my intention to be passive-aggressive. If anything, it seems active-aggressive :-)

The article is about the iPhone's user interface, not about the backend; local notifications have nothing to do with the user interface. And I simply assumed that everyone who has used an iPhone knows that the notification UI is very basic; you mostly get modal alert boxes, which are very easy to accidentally discard.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#52

I installed 4.0 a few days ago on my 3G and only notable difference is the folders. I think to use multi-tasking I need to upgrade my phone to 3gs? Stinks if that's correct!

Did you install 4.0 on a device you use regularly? If so, are there not many bugs hindering your usage? I've been thinking about doing this as well but Apple recommends against it.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#53
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be interesting to see if the older phones get this. As you say it can function as a recently used list, even if those apps are not running, the user shouldn't have to care about the distinction.

The iPhone 3G won't be getting this multitasking.

It seems like it could get the task switcher, though. Word on the street is it doesn't, at least in beta 1.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#54
post #27

Has anyone tried installing OS 4.0 via iTunes on Windows? The fact that they're distributing it as a dmg made me wary...

It's a developer release, you should be wary.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#55
post #2

I know, another article about the iPhone, but I really liked this bit (with relevance beyond the iPhone OS): «I think it’s fair to say that most people involved in interaction design tend to agree that hierarchical file systems have largely failed their users. […] However, when we say ‹hierarchical file systems don’t work›, most of us end that sentence with ‹so we need to replace them with something better› in our he…

To play devil's advocate for a minute: One possibility is that the most useful method of organizing data is necessarily different for each application. There are even applications for which hierarchical organization is entirely appropriate at the UI level: An obvious example is an outliner. And it's not a coincidence that our filesystem UIs have little icons of file-cabinet drawers and file folders: The real world fe…

Real world filing cabinets are not infinitely hierarchical, they are very flat. I don't think I've ever seen someone use a filing cabinet with nested folders. You have one list of alphabetized folders with the files directly in it. In this way I think the current "folders" solution in the home screen more closely matches what people expect.

When you have to drill down through more than a few levels of hierarchy to get to what they want, it becomes confusing to keep track of, especially because folders create groups of arbitrary types so everyone has to build their own hierarchical system for each type of data. So while my nested folders for photos represents year/month/event my nested folders in my music library mean artist/album and my Documents folder is a mess where I try and make up groups of things I will remember again later. "does this piece of writing belong in my Essay folder or in my Journal folder?" Who can say? and if I pick one now, what's to say when I go looking for it later I might not categorize it differently?

Things like iPhoto make those decisions for you, just add your pictures to it and it will make you group them as an event, and that is all you have to do. iPhoto actually lets you look for photos in several different ways then: hierarchically by year/month/event, event in overall order, by who is in the picture, or where it was taken. That is a lot of flexibility that lets me search for a photo in whatever way I'm thinking about it in the moment, rather than having to search for a file based on however I originally decided to organize them on the file system.

A straight hierarchical file system is pretty limiting: it only allows you to find files based on one organizational method. That's why search is becoming so useful and why tagging seemed like such a good idea. It would be great if we could find out what the best way for me to keep track of my writing is without me having to think about how it is structured on disk.

So I guess what I am trying to say is that I agree with you that we need different organizational methods for different pieces of data, and that I think nested "folders" is going to be the right solution very rarely. And I agree with Lukas that there needs to be a lot of work done to help people share files and move files to and from the iPad easily.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#56
post #7

Android has an almost-identical "task switcher" (press and hold the Home button to show a popup of recent apps). I don't think anyone I know uses it regularly - and I just spent 18 months working in a 30-person Android software company.

This is my primary way of switching between recent applications. Take it with a grain of salt, though, as the Android way of dealing with App icons is a world of a difference from iPhone. Android uses a separate and almost useless alphabetically-sorted application's drawer. You are able to put applications on the home screens, but chances are that you are messing with an application that you don't use very frequently…

WRT the 3 home screens, there are quite a few replacement Home apps that increase it to 7+ - PandaHome, aHome, and Open Home are the first that come to mind.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#57
post #7

Android has an almost-identical "task switcher" (press and hold the Home button to show a popup of recent apps). I don't think anyone I know uses it regularly - and I just spent 18 months working in a 30-person Android software company.

This is my primary way of switching between recent applications. Take it with a grain of salt, though, as the Android way of dealing with App icons is a world of a difference from iPhone. Android uses a separate and almost useless alphabetically-sorted application's drawer. You are able to put applications on the home screens, but chances are that you are messing with an application that you don't use very frequently…

Android OS 2.1 increases it to 5 homescreens. In addition, you can put folders on any of the Android homescreens that work almost identically (from what I gather from the description in the article) to the way folders work in iPhone OS4.

I think others have mentioned that you can get 3rd party apps for Android that increase the number of home screen to at least 7. These do not require rooting or anything else unusual, just a quick download from the Market.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#58
The new multitasking model, recently used app switcher, and folders are sound a hell of a lot like the equivalents in Android. (which isn't a complaint by the way... ) I wonder why they didn't also adopt a notification system similar to the pull down notification drawer in Android?

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#59
post #50
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he just meant that the method of showing notifications to the user hasn't changed.

More specifically, if you receive more than one notification, the former is pretty much lost. Your app icon is annotated with a number but you have no idea what happened if you have several icons already annotated.

Thanks, that's a good point.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#60
post #46

"Unfortunately, notifications were not addressed in iPhone OS 4.0." OK, it was kind of passive aggressive of you (the author of the post) to just state this without any explanation backing it up, but I'll bite. Please do give us your rant about how local notifications (introduced in OS 4.0) in addition to the already existing push notifications does not address notifications. Or maybe you just missed that part?

Well, it wasn't my intention to be passive-aggressive. If anything, it seems active-aggressive :-) The article is about the iPhone's user interface, not about the backend; local notifications have nothing to do with the user interface. And I simply assumed that everyone who has used an iPhone knows that the notification UI is very basic; you mostly get modal alert boxes, which are very easy to accidentally discard.

Thanks; that makes it clear. Yes that aspect is indeed not addressed.
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