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Samsung to Permanently Discontinue Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone

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Re: Samsung to Permanently Discontinue Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone

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Post by Shivetya »

Shivetya wrote: post #112
PaulRobinson wrote: post #14

[drip, drip, drip, drip, drip…] They have spent a huge amount of money on marketing this phone. I wrote a week or so back it could be the end of Samsung and people told me I was an idiot - they make so many other things, their spread is so broad, they can just produce the next phone and move on. This has done untold damage to their brand in the eyes of the average consumer and has wasted so much money, I think they a…

end of samsung, come this time next year most of the public won't even remember the issue. then consider that many just tune this type of news out anyway if they have had no issues. tech sites tend to over exaggerate impact of technologies because many fail to associate the fact common interest brought them to the discussion site in the first place

okay, I give, how did that comment offend? Samsung will have little or no discernible impact from this event. Techies tend to think to the world thinks like they do and rotates around their ideas but we are such a small segment that we tend to miss the big picture.

Re: Samsung to Permanently Discontinue Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone

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Post by Kadin »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #79
Nursie wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obviously not good but yes, you were an idiot to say it could be the end of Samsung. They make everything from cutting edge phones to air-conditioning. One product in one business area going wrong like this is not going to be fatal.

Well, let's go through their other businesses. Samsung SDI is going to struggle in a World with cheap coal prices and political inclinations (cf. Trump campaign) to not care about environmental impacts. Samsung Heavy Industries is already struggling because of market demands for new container ships dropping off sharply in recent years - there has been a glut of supply for some years. Their Engineering and Constructio…

They are also a sort of crown jewel for South Korea, and probably far above the "too big to fail" threshold there. If worse came to worst, they'd be bailed out by the government.

They're not going anywhere as a corporation.

I'd expect a certain amount of bloodletting in their leadership, depending on exactly how bad the recall and consequent damage to their mobile electronics business is. But it's not an existential threat to the entire organization.

Re: Samsung to Permanently Discontinue Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone

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Post by pimlottc »

marcosdumay wrote: post #188
grkvlt wrote: post #140

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> This has done untold damage to their brand in the eyes of the average consumer You'd be surprised about how much of the general public even knows that there is a type of Samsung phone that can spontaneously combust, and the proportion of those people that care and will continue to remember that fact when they are looking for a new phone is also going to be quite small. I have had to explain the story to friends who…

This time almost everybody knows. With every flight announcing "you can use your electronic devices now, in airplane mode - except for the Galaxy Note 7, that must stay off during all the trip", people won't forget for a while. In Samsung's shoes, I'd kill the Note brand.

You may be surprised how much of the general public doesn't fly regularly.

Re: Samsung to Permanently Discontinue Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone

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Post by rasz_pl »

kbart wrote: post #142
lmm wrote: post #135

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They could probably drop in a replacement with what, half the capacity? But that impacts the whole design of the 'phone. There's a huge difference between a phone that lasts one day and a phone that lasts half a day. So they'd be looking to lower the screen brightness, maybe find a less power-hungry processor and/or LTE chip,.... by the time you've finished accomodating that kind of change it's a new model anyway.

3500 mAh doesn't strike as something astonishing. There are Chinese phones with >5000 mAh battery for sale (though I would not dare to vouch for their safety), even Galaxy S7 have 3000 mAh battery.

Chinese 5000 mAh is around 1000 mAh metric

Re: Samsung to Permanently Discontinue Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone

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Post by Kadin »

taneq wrote: post #187
josh2600 wrote: post #138

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Samsung is too much of South Korea's GDP to go bankrupt. For Samsung to fail, the Korean economy would have to also fail, which is possible but unlikely. I think that if you compare Samsung's Note 7 to Nokia's Burning Platform, the prospects for Samsung are significantly better (Nokia not only destroyed the value of 100% of their inventory but also all of their future inventory until the OS changeover happened; Samsu…

Isn't that backwards? (ie. if Samsung failed, South Korea's economy would take a massive hit?) I think this will hurt Samsung significantly but not fatally. They'll come back with a nice fancy new phone (although they may not re-use the Note moniker) and they'll price it at barely above break-even to encourage people to give them another chance, and people will love them again.

> Isn't that backwards? (ie. if Samsung failed, South Korea's economy would take a massive hit?)

They are both true. If Samsung faltered, the Korean economy would take a hit, but the government would almost certainly prop it up such that it wouldn't actually fail.

Presumably a bailout would take the form of an injection of liquidity sourced from sovereign debt denominated in KRW, much like the US bank bailout a few years ago. If it were large enough, it could depress the won against other global currencies. In the limiting case, the Koreans can always -- if they really need to -- print money until their exports get attractive again. People may not want to buy Samsung phones, but they'll certainly buy Samsung steel or Samsung heavy industrial equipment, if the price is right.

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Post by eric_h »

dawnerd wrote: post #279
eric_h wrote: post #276

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I'm quite happy with my Samsung TV - picture quality is great. The remote is a terrible piece of shit, and I disabled the "Smart" TV features the moment that thing showed be a goddamn ad, but as a front end for my Apple TV/Playstation 4 it's quite good.

Except you can't fully disable ads unless they've patched it in the last 6 or so months. I had a very long back and forth with them about it and they kept denying it until finally admitting that it was impossible to disable. Worse, they were using the notification bar to advertise gamefly. Not cool. Keep in mind the TV I had was their flagship first gen 4k tv. There's no excuse for putting ads on a nearly 5k dollar t…

I bought a Samsung 4k TV ~1 year ago, and turning off the Smart TV features (smart hub, or whatever they called it) most definitely turned off the ads.

I'm not actually getting 4k video out of my TV, (since neither the apple tv or playstation support it), but I'm not terribly concerned about that (as I can't tell the difference at the distance I sit from my television).

I wanted a dumb TV anyway, but costco didn't have any at the size I was looking for when I purchased it.

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Post by prodmerc »

antocv wrote: post #76
hellofunk wrote: post #32

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Except that their washing machines are also exploding.

And their SSDs have hardware design flaws making them read slower and slower until the read speed of old cells is down to 1-2megabytes/second... of advertised 550megabytes/s. Remember that? It affected all Samsung EVO drives, which is marketing speak for all Samsung SLC based drives, which means budget drives, the Pro versions based on MLC were unaffected. But, the way Samsung handled my case, to deny warranty, and i…

Huh so EVOs have proven to be not so good?

I haven't kept up with that, I'm still using Samsung 470, 830 and Crucial M4 SSDs, which are rock f&^king solid, knock on wood.

But when they were released, with their much lower price tag, their TLC chips (with a huge SLC buffer to make it seem faster) seemed a bit suspicious - basically cheaper MLC, and that's not a good thing in this case.

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Post by scottmf »

pimlottc wrote: post #293
marcosdumay wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This time almost everybody knows. With every flight announcing "you can use your electronic devices now, in airplane mode - except for the Galaxy Note 7, that must stay off during all the trip", people won't forget for a while. In Samsung's shoes, I'd kill the Note brand.

You may be surprised how much of the general public doesn't fly regularly.

There's certainly a significant overlap between people who fly and people who buy flagship Samsung phones.

Re: Samsung to Permanently Discontinue Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone

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Post by prodmerc »

levelist_com wrote: post #271
PaulRobinson wrote: post #14

[drip, drip, drip, drip, drip…] They have spent a huge amount of money on marketing this phone. I wrote a week or so back it could be the end of Samsung and people told me I was an idiot - they make so many other things, their spread is so broad, they can just produce the next phone and move on. This has done untold damage to their brand in the eyes of the average consumer and has wasted so much money, I think they a…

As a person that owns both a Samsung Washer & Dryer (they just did a recall on top load washers I believe), a Samsung Refrigerator, and at one point a Samsung television, I can assure you all of their products (that I have owned or currently own) are poorly designed, and more so, poorly manufactured garbage. I will never knowingly buy a Samsung product again. I replaced the TV after it came out about their efforts to…

Well, I've seen many Galaxy S2s used in the worst of conditions. Right now I'm regularly marveling at an S6 Edge that has been dropped, and even purposely thrown to the wall by the owner, still work flawlessly with a cracked screen (even missing a big chunk of glass in the corner) and back... Pretty impressive.

But then again, I have an LG Optimus L9 that I thought would kick the bucket tomorrow for over a year now, and it keeps working...

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Post by fucking_tragedy »

eric_h wrote: post #276
levelist_com wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a person that owns both a Samsung Washer & Dryer (they just did a recall on top load washers I believe), a Samsung Refrigerator, and at one point a Samsung television, I can assure you all of their products (that I have owned or currently own) are poorly designed, and more so, poorly manufactured garbage. I will never knowingly buy a Samsung product again. I replaced the TV after it came out about their efforts to…

I'm quite happy with my Samsung TV - picture quality is great. The remote is a terrible piece of shit, and I disabled the "Smart" TV features the moment that thing showed be a goddamn ad, but as a front end for my Apple TV/Playstation 4 it's quite good.

Holy shit, your appliance you paid for shows you ads. I thought ads on phones were bad 7 years ago. Wow.
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