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Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by protomyth »

logicallee wrote: post #189
protomyth wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From his response "helped a relative get started by paying for her Apple’s Developer Program Membership using my credit card. I also handed her test hard" It was a relative, so I don't get your question's relevance to the situation.

sorry, I missed that part. I straight-up don't believe that their relative engaged in fraudulent activity related to Dash (such as leaving negative reviews of competitors) by complete coincidence and at arm's length. I didn't read all the information carefully though.

> I straight-up don't believe that their relative engaged in fraudulent activity related to Dash (such as leaving negative reviews of competitors) by complete coincidence and at arm's length

You might want to read the rest, the relative was boosting their own apps. Dash was not part of scenario just affected by the end result.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by abalone »

dpark wrote: post #190
abalone wrote: post #180

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I didn't say it was dumb to think it "possible" for him to be the culprit. I said it was dumb to shut down a top developer account without warning.

I'm referring to your claim that he would have used a different credit card and ID as if this is obviously true. It's neither true nor obvious since he didn't realize by his own admission that the accounts were linked.

Even that doesn't make much sense. It is obvious that Apple would know that the accounts are linked.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by dpark »

abalone wrote: post #192
dpark wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to your claim that he would have used a different credit card and ID as if this is obviously true. It's neither true nor obvious since he didn't realize by his own admission that the accounts were linked.

Even that doesn't make much sense. It is obvious that Apple would know that the accounts are linked.

You're misunderstanding the entire point of my comment. I was specifically addressing the assertion that Popescu would have used a different card for the other account if he were trying to commit fraud: "If Kapeli wanted to be deceptive and create another account to commit a bunch of fraud on that appeared unassociated with him, he'd use another credit card, bundle ID, etc."

This claim is untrue. Per Popescu's blog, he didn't know using the same bank/CC info would link the accounts. So no, he likely wouldn't have used a different card. So the implication that because he didn't use a different card, he therefore wasn't trying to commit fraud is invalid.

The reference to Apple being dumb was merely for comparison.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by abalone »

dpark wrote: post #193
abalone wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even that doesn't make much sense. It is obvious that Apple would know that the accounts are linked.

You're misunderstanding the entire point of my comment. I was specifically addressing the assertion that Popescu would have used a different card for the other account if he were trying to commit fraud: "If Kapeli wanted to be deceptive and create another account to commit a bunch of fraud on that appeared unassociated with him, he'd use another credit card, bundle ID, etc." This claim is untrue. Per Popescu's blog,…

I get what you're saying, but it still doesn't make sense. It is obvious that providing bank information will tie your identity to both accounts. That is utterly obvious. Ergo, by "linking" what he is referring to is being personally responsible for the behavior of the other person, even though they have a different name etc., not that Apple would be unable to see the common bank info.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by dpark »

abalone wrote: post #194
dpark wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're misunderstanding the entire point of my comment. I was specifically addressing the assertion that Popescu would have used a different card for the other account if he were trying to commit fraud: "If Kapeli wanted to be deceptive and create another account to commit a bunch of fraud on that appeared unassociated with him, he'd use another credit card, bundle ID, etc." This claim is untrue. Per Popescu's blog,…

I get what you're saying, but it still doesn't make sense. It is obvious that providing bank information will tie your identity to both accounts. That is utterly obvious. Ergo, by "linking" what he is referring to is being personally responsible for the behavior of the other person, even though they have a different name etc., not that Apple would be unable to see the common bank info.

> It is obvious that providing bank information will tie your identity to both accounts. That is utterly obvious.

It's clearly not obvious to Popescu per his own statement on the matter. Asserting repeatedly that it's obvious doesn't make it so.

> Ergo, by "linking" what he is referring to is being personally responsible for the behavior of the other person

This is a distinction without a difference. "Linking" the accounts is pointless unless it creates a meaningful relationship between them. The only reason to link accounts is to establish that they be somehow treated as a unit.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by sctb »

newsat13 wrote: post #162
newsat13 wrote: post #102

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Apple is so childish. It's just a single developer against a whole company. Is it so hard for a company to just bury what happened and move on?

Why the downvotes? OK. Apple is awesome and behaving like a proper adult. They are rightfully flexing their muscles and making sure that everyone knows that they are in the right! I wish every corporation would make it as part of their vision to set the record straight against indie developers. World is such a better place thanks to this controversy.

Please don't complain about downvotes and then follow-up with unproductive sarcasm.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by fapjacks »

logicallee wrote: post #117
Mithaldu wrote: post #101

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It is indeed the way they do, but you are saying he should've known that, when he had in fact no way of knowing.

I think I'm much less invested in this than you two but I can say that it would strike me as very unusual to pay for someone else's account with Apple. For example, Mithaldu, if an anonymous outsourcing party rendered you a service, than rather than wire them money or pay via paypal, would you be okay with paying for an apple account with them, with no further relationship, and you don't even know who they are? Proba…

You missed the other discussion which mentions he's Romanian, and very few Romanians have their own banking services, and in fact share banking services among family members.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by abalone »

dpark wrote: post #195
abalone wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get what you're saying, but it still doesn't make sense. It is obvious that providing bank information will tie your identity to both accounts. That is utterly obvious. Ergo, by "linking" what he is referring to is being personally responsible for the behavior of the other person, even though they have a different name etc., not that Apple would be unable to see the common bank info.

> It is obvious that providing bank information will tie your identity to both accounts. That is utterly obvious. It's clearly not obvious to Popescu per his own statement on the matter. Asserting repeatedly that it's obvious doesn't make it so. > Ergo, by "linking" what he is referring to is being personally responsible for the behavior of the other person This is a distinction without a difference. "Linking" the ac…

You are claiming that Popescu does not understand that handing his credit card info over to Apple for the other account, amongst other things, would reveal to Apple that he has a connection with it. That is an absurd claim.

Your evidence is his statement, which refers to a more specific technical use of the term "linking", namely responsibility for fraud as a combined "legal entity", the phrase that is used in the cited phone call. I will let the downvotes on your comment speak for themselves here.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by dpark »

abalone wrote: post #198
dpark wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is obvious that providing bank information will tie your identity to both accounts. That is utterly obvious. It's clearly not obvious to Popescu per his own statement on the matter. Asserting repeatedly that it's obvious doesn't make it so. > Ergo, by "linking" what he is referring to is being personally responsible for the behavior of the other person This is a distinction without a difference. "Linking" the ac…

You are claiming that Popescu does not understand that handing his credit card info over to Apple for the other account, amongst other things, would reveal to Apple that he has a connection with it. That is an absurd claim. Your evidence is his statement, which refers to a more specific technical use of the term "linking", namely responsibility for fraud as a combined "legal entity", the phrase that is used in the ci…

I'm making the much more charitable claim that he didn't realize Apple would track the connection between the accounts. This is in line with both his actions and his statements. Your continued attempts to force your specific narrow interpretation onto his statement is absurd.

Your appeal to downvotes as some form of proof that your interpretation is correct is also absurd, partly because downvotes don't mean that much in general, but mostly because I have exactly one in total. So as with the rest of the thread your self-satisfaction seems rather unjustified.

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