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Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by kaybe »

newscracker wrote: post #63

Since this is related to moving out of Yahoo, in a previous thread about the security breach at Yahoo, I had asked for suggestions on other email providers who're better focused on privacy, security (and related to that, freedom). I came across a few suggestions that support custom domains, but found all of them wanting in some ways: 1. Fastmail - becomes very expensive if multiple people (say, in a team or family) w…

Posteo.de is also German based, but seems cheap and reliable.

It might be a bit too simple for your needs though.

Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by fredfisch »

newscracker wrote: post #70
fredfisch wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found isync/mbsync to be a reliable tool to migrate my mail from one email provider to another.[1] You have to be into unix-y command line, though. [1] See e.g. https://psyq123.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/backing-up-email-fr...

That's useful only if the provider you're moving to supports importing mail. As mentioned in my comment, some of the privacy focused ones do not (or are yet to) support importing existing mails.

Ok, I misread your comment then. I thought you meant some sort of a tool/web gui which fastmail provides but others don't.

Do those privacy focused providers even prohibit the import of mails via IMAP from your local computer? At least for isync/mbsync this not relevant and it seems to me that this a very basic operation of the IMAP protocol... (I'm not a CS person, don't weigh my words.)

Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by watchdogtimer »

newscracker wrote: post #63

Since this is related to moving out of Yahoo, in a previous thread about the security breach at Yahoo, I had asked for suggestions on other email providers who're better focused on privacy, security (and related to that, freedom). I came across a few suggestions that support custom domains, but found all of them wanting in some ways: 1. Fastmail - becomes very expensive if multiple people (say, in a team or family) w…

If you already have your own domain, why not just get a cheap shared hosting account, and use the mailboxes that come with it for free? They generally come with unlimited mailboxes with IMAP/POP3 support, and cost < USD$4/month.

Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by newscracker »

msh wrote: post #67
newscracker wrote: post #63

Since this is related to moving out of Yahoo, in a previous thread about the security breach at Yahoo, I had asked for suggestions on other email providers who're better focused on privacy, security (and related to that, freedom). I came across a few suggestions that support custom domains, but found all of them wanting in some ways: 1. Fastmail - becomes very expensive if multiple people (say, in a team or family) w…

I am using mailbox.org It's quite cheap and supports using your own domain. It's German based but I have had no issues communicating with the support in English.

Thanks. The pricing and features look nice. But it does not allow importing existing emails into the mailbox account (and thus provide a way to permanently get rid of the older account while having a way to access older mails across multiple devices).

Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by newscracker »

kaybe wrote: post #71
newscracker wrote: post #63

Since this is related to moving out of Yahoo, in a previous thread about the security breach at Yahoo, I had asked for suggestions on other email providers who're better focused on privacy, security (and related to that, freedom). I came across a few suggestions that support custom domains, but found all of them wanting in some ways: 1. Fastmail - becomes very expensive if multiple people (say, in a team or family) w…

Posteo.de is also German based, but seems cheap and reliable. It might be a bit too simple for your needs though.

Thanks. This seems to provide everything except using a custom domain. The site says it doesn't allow custom domains for privacy reasons to avoid storing any information about the customer. Moving out of it may be painful because of this limitation (having to inform or update all contacts of a change in email address).

Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by newscracker »

fredfisch wrote: post #72
newscracker wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's useful only if the provider you're moving to supports importing mail. As mentioned in my comment, some of the privacy focused ones do not (or are yet to) support importing existing mails.

Ok, I misread your comment then. I thought you meant some sort of a tool/web gui which fastmail provides but others don't. Do those privacy focused providers even prohibit the import of mails via IMAP from your local computer? At least for isync/mbsync this not relevant and it seems to me that this a very basic operation of the IMAP protocol... (I'm not a CS person, don't weigh my words.)

Yes, the ones I mentioned as not supporting mail import do not provide any method to import and don't support IMAP either.

Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by tdkl »

newscracker wrote: post #63

Since this is related to moving out of Yahoo, in a previous thread about the security breach at Yahoo, I had asked for suggestions on other email providers who're better focused on privacy, security (and related to that, freedom). I came across a few suggestions that support custom domains, but found all of them wanting in some ways: 1. Fastmail - becomes very expensive if multiple people (say, in a team or family) w…

I'm pretty happy with Servermx [1].

It's hosted in EU, has IMAP/POP/ActiveSync (AS is not mentioned on website since it's still in beta, but has worked since last year reliably), Cal&CardDAV (CardDAV offers full HQ contact photos).

The prices are quite reasonable (1.8€ monthly for 10GB mailbox). Webmail interfaces are SOGo, Squirrelmail, Roundcube. Support tickets are answered instantly (couple hours).

You can migrate existing mail via an IMAP importer (logs into target IMAP server with your credentials and pulls email to servermx).

They offer a 30 day trial to check it out (without custom domain part for the trial), after that you can upgrade it to a full paid account, which supports custom domains.

[1] http://servermx.com/

Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by msh »

newscracker wrote: post #74
msh wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am using mailbox.org It's quite cheap and supports using your own domain. It's German based but I have had no issues communicating with the support in English.

Thanks. The pricing and features look nice. But it does not allow importing existing emails into the mailbox account (and thus provide a way to permanently get rid of the older account while having a way to access older mails across multiple devices).

Yes they actually do.

The manual way is just to use a desktop email app like mail.app, outlook or Thunderbird to move the emails. That's what I did to migrate from Google apps, worked surprisingly well for even my very large amount of email.

You can also use this way: https://support-en.mailbox.org/knowledge-base/article/audrig...

Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by Crosseye_Jack »

tdkl wrote: post #77
newscracker wrote: post #63

Since this is related to moving out of Yahoo, in a previous thread about the security breach at Yahoo, I had asked for suggestions on other email providers who're better focused on privacy, security (and related to that, freedom). I came across a few suggestions that support custom domains, but found all of them wanting in some ways: 1. Fastmail - becomes very expensive if multiple people (say, in a team or family) w…

I'm pretty happy with Servermx [1]. It's hosted in EU, has IMAP/POP/ActiveSync (AS is not mentioned on website since it's still in beta, but has worked since last year reliably), Cal&CardDAV (CardDAV offers full HQ contact photos). The prices are quite reasonable (1.8€ monthly for 10GB mailbox). Webmail interfaces are SOGo, Squirrelmail, Roundcube. Support tickets are answered instantly (couple hours). You can migrat…

> They offer a 30 day trial to check it out (without custom domain part for the trial), after that you can upgrade it to a full paid account, which supports custom domains.

From their features page.

> With the trial product You can use your own domain name or use a free sub-domain of servermx.com which will be assigned to you at subscription time.

Or did you mean they don't offer "Custom Web mail URL - Your domain name can be used for your web email client (example http://webmail.yourdomainname.tld)" during the trial?

Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to look into them as I'm getting bored of maintaining my own mail server and €24 isn't bad for a year. I'll have to look into them a bit more before taking the plunge though.

Re: Yahoo makes it difficult to leave its service by disabling email forwarding

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Post by newscracker »

msh wrote: post #78
newscracker wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. The pricing and features look nice. But it does not allow importing existing emails into the mailbox account (and thus provide a way to permanently get rid of the older account while having a way to access older mails across multiple devices).

Yes they actually do. The manual way is just to use a desktop email app like mail.app, outlook or Thunderbird to move the emails. That's what I did to migrate from Google apps, worked surprisingly well for even my very large amount of email. You can also use this way: https://support-en.mailbox.org/knowledge-base/article/audrig...

Thanks a lot for pointing to this. I had searched their knowledge base for "import", didn't find anything, and assumed this wasn't there. Both the paid option and the (free) manual option are straightforward.
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