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Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Noise canceling headphones are much more effective on constant noise like an airplane engine than transient noises like speech or phones ringing.

I guess I just found the magic pair, because with them in I can't even hear my baby cry.

I am also interested in learning which headphones you use and added this comment to signal there's more of us that are interested.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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It's a total first world problem, but none of the headphones that FB provides in the vending machines are actually noise cancelling. There are Sennheiser HD 280s (huge over-ear headphones, quite comfortable, good sound quality and do deaden surrounding noise a little), Apple Earbuds (meh) and a seemingly easily-breakable Klipsch in-ear set that I can't remember the model number of. The headphones are very reasonable…

Active noise cancelling is far better at drowning out constant background noise than changing sounds like conversations.

Yes, it worked much better against the hum of the A/C units than the chatter.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I used to work at FB and the huge, open offices were one of my least favourite parts about the job. I worked in the London office for a year and that was actually a little better because it's smaller and generally quieter there, but the three years that I did in the Menlo Park offices were not particularly fun for all the reasons described. It's very difficult to concentrate when there's constant background noise. Me…

I joined FB in 2006 and had never been in an open office environment before. It was quite an adjustment. I didn't like working in the office until I had been there for about six months. The office on University Ave was packed tight and didn't have a lot of creature comforts--it was cheap desks arranged in groups of four, some conference rooms, a break room with snacks, and that's it. And I had come from a cubicle far…

Collaboration has definitely got a lot better than it was years ago; FB has probably managed it better than anywhere I've worked before. The amount of money and effort they've invested into video conferencing facilities is huge because it really is such an important factor. This is why it always baffled me that they didn't treat remote working as a first class citizen, especially given the crazy prices of real estate in the Bay Area.

I was also always hugely jealous of people in war rooms as they seemed to have the perfect balance.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I worked for a year at IBM's RTP campus. Everyone had their own dimly lit cube with 5-foot walls, no natural daylight, and white noise playing over speakers to drown out conversation. The depressing undertone of the office was part of what pushed me to quit. My team at my present job works in an open setting with 8 people in the room and windows with natural daylight. It's quiet enough to focus but gives us the oppor…

Natural light is one of the most important aspects of an office to me. A few years ago I actually turned down an offer because I realized I'd be sitting in an interior team-sized room with no windows and just a door to a hallway, again with no windows. I would have been giving up a seat next to huge windows with light flooding into the room. I just knew that I'd end up depressed in those working conditions and decide…

It's not melodramatic. I have a Film background and it's the same there - any person who's minimally studied artificial lighting will tell you that artificial lighting is still nothing like natural lighting. This is just considering the color spectrum reproduction you get and not even going into natural health benefits.

If we can't even film with artificial lighting and get away with it, what makes people think we can live under artificial lighting conditions for the majority of our working life ? It's madness.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Huh, when I interned at Facebook in the new, open floor building, not only was noise not a problem, I could always walk to one of the many mini-lounge/libraries for absolute silence when I needed to. Plus, headphones and ear plugs are always offered, if I recall.

Some folks cannot wear head phones for an extended period of time which makes me very happy I have an office. Plus, noise canceling head phone make me dizzy even if no music is playing. I'm pretty sure that's not unique.

It probably isn't. I can wear my in-ear noise-blocking headphones for about two hours until they become physically uncomfortable. Over-ear headphones are fine for up to four hours. An open office is just not a workable environment for me.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I used to work at FB and the huge, open offices were one of my least favourite parts about the job. I worked in the London office for a year and that was actually a little better because it's smaller and generally quieter there, but the three years that I did in the Menlo Park offices were not particularly fun for all the reasons described. It's very difficult to concentrate when there's constant background noise. Me…

I've worked in a bunch of the Menlo Park buildings. The new Frank Gehry designed one is quieter than the old Sun buildings. Foot traffic is only a problem if you're immediately next a thoroughfare, and even then it's not terrible.

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> Open offices are horrible for productivity imo. Individual productivity or team productivity? If you are optimizing for individual productivity - you could be hitting a local maxima... I do say the above in half-jest: I would love to see any research done in this area. When I was a new joiner, it was convenient to swivel around/walk across the room and talk to someone. Sure, it sucks now that I'm an old hand and no…

> Individual productivity or team productivity? If you are optimizing for individual productivity - you could be hitting a local maxima... Forum discussions like this one seem to be all about individual productivity. In my experience, open offices are really great for ad hoc collaboration and conversation. To combat interruptions, individual developers can easily take steps to not be interrupted when they are doing s…

All that "collaboration and conversation" lets your team combined productivity asymptoticaly approach the productivity of single developer in a quiet, private office :)

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Natural light is one of the most important aspects of an office to me. A few years ago I actually turned down an offer because I realized I'd be sitting in an interior team-sized room with no windows and just a door to a hallway, again with no windows. I would have been giving up a seat next to huge windows with light flooding into the room. I just knew that I'd end up depressed in those working conditions and decide…

It's not melodramatic. I have a Film background and it's the same there - any person who's minimally studied artificial lighting will tell you that artificial lighting is still nothing like natural lighting. This is just considering the color spectrum reproduction you get and not even going into natural health benefits. If we can't even film with artificial lighting and get away with it, what makes people think we ca…

In Europe it's even forbidden by law. You need some minimal percentage of natural light, or the place is not allowed to be worked in constantly.

Now I'm having 5 big windows in my room, from 3 sides :) Working from home as contractor.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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(Disclosure: FB employee) Most of the problems about overhearing conversations, etc, can be dealt with by a nice pair of headphones. Here, it's universally accepted as the 'do not disturb' signal.

I have tinnitus and headphones (especially noise-cancelling ones) are living hell to me.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I remember the VR video from FB a few days ago. There were a few seconds of broadcast from a camera in the FB office and I thought that the ceiling was more like the one of a factory than the one of an office. Not very inviting. Even the rest of the place looked like a warehouse, colors included. A few seconds later the broadcast moved to a camera in the living room of Zuckerberg's house. That was a much more pleasant place to work at. It was only a matter of space and colors, not about furniture.
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