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Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pmlnr »

Is it just me or is this somewhat a contradiction?

    "Your Workplace account is separate from your personal Facebook account."
https://workplace.fb.com/trust/

    How do I create a separate username and password for my Workplace account?

    To separate your personal account from your Workplace account:
    
        Go to your Security Settings and click Sign Up Manually
        Enter and confirm a New Password
        Click Unlink Account
    
    Note: Once your Facebook accounts are unlinked you'll have to log in separately to your Workplace account."
https://www.facebook.com/help/work/1581273578811546?helpref=...

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by js8 »

onewaystreet wrote: post #114
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

Mark Zuckerberg said those things when he was 19 over a decade ago. He's now a father, the CEO of a global company with over 12,000 employees and one of the richest people in the world. Maybe he has matured since then?

I am sure there is plenty of people who didn't think and say anything like that when they were 19, i.e. they were already mature.

Unfortunately, they have not much say in how FB is doing its business. Why are we giving MZ benefit of the doubt, when there is plenty of likely more mature people?

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by gvurrdon »

googlereject wrote: post #120
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

The simple solution to anyone concerned about this is to just stop using Facebook. I've done so and it turned out to be a great decision. Contrary to the belief that you'll be "left out," people can and do get in touch with you for the important things. SMS, email, phone, snapchat, etc all work really well today, and you can get your social news fix from reddit, HN, and elsewhere if you need it. I've gotten measurabl…

Having never used Facebook I find that I don't need it for most things. But, there are some activities in which I'm involved where almost all discussion and event organisation takes place on Facebook. My participation has thus decreased significantly over the past decade. The organiser of one such event (to which I've been going for years) mentioned to me recently that of the approx. 20 people giving presentations there I was the only one not on Facebook, requiring him to email me separately. Many people wouldn't make that effort any more.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pmlnr »

res0nat0r wrote: post #176
Zelphyr wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For most people, the thirteen years from age 19 to 32 involves a great deal of maturity and in many respects I imagine the same applies to him. But if he started out as somewhat unscrupulous, what evidence do we have that the pressures of having to appease investors is going to change that in a positive way when it comes to people's private information? Especially considering the kind of revenue that data can generat…

Any evidence of FB going directly against their privacy rules other than silly quotes from a decade or more ago?

"short" summary:

http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook/

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pmlnr »

maverick_iceman wrote: post #133
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

If you don't trust Facebook, don't use Facebook.

So I guess you're idea of not using FB@Work is to leave the company I currently work at, since there is no other way for me not to use it.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by EliRivers »

scient wrote: post #131
EliRivers wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, your competitor, will pay FB for your conversations. I expect we can work out a way to do it that isn't so brazen.

I think you have no idea how to real world works. Most of the arguments against Facebook sadly seem to be wildly out of touch with reality. Amazing that these essentially conspiracy theories are cultivated by otherwise pretty smart people - software engineers.

Real world? You must be aware of real world events in which this sort of thing really has already happened.

The ultimate arbiter is reality, and in reality this sort of thing does already happen. We could do it brazenly over the counter, or alternatively I could pay Facebook to act as a consultant; to give me their view of my market. To satisfy the legal chaps, we can just scrape the names off the data and then summarise it in a nice binder. A number of financial companies do this today. The fines are peanuts compared to the profits.

Even when it isn't company policy in some way, it is easy to bribe an employee to simply hand over a big chunk of data. The "real world" shows us that this does and will happen.

As an aside, I would suggest that the "real world" in the sense of which you are speaking doesn't even exist. Everyone, everywhere, builds their own cocoon of social mores and illusions and local conventions, and from my perspective it is you who doesn't understand it. If you're going to suggest that laws will stop it happening, I remind you that the law is whatever you can successfully negotiate and argue and persuade and influence as necessary, and big companies with deep pockets can do that very well. Some things are very hard to argue; shooting someone for no reason on live TV. Some things are eminently arguable; the Chinese wall between the data holding division and the business consultancy division. Really happening, every day, in the real world.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by [deleted] »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #81
EliRivers wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, your competitor, will pay FB for your conversations. I expect we can work out a way to do it that isn't so brazen.

But if that's possible in any way FaceBook and the company paying would be subject to breaking many corporate espionage laws in addition to destroying FaceBook's enterprise business IN ITS ENTIRETY should it be found out. Seems like an insane amount of risk for such a very tiny reward.

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Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pmlnr »

onewaystreet wrote: post #114
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

Mark Zuckerberg said those things when he was 19 over a decade ago. He's now a father, the CEO of a global company with over 12,000 employees and one of the richest people in the world. Maybe he has matured since then?

This was the point when the guy should have been forgotten as a face of a reliable business.

I does not matter if he had matured since; this was the foundation FB was built on: that you freely give away your personal information.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by Borating »

trendia wrote: post #110
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

I just want to give a shoutout to the subreddit "Stallman was right." [0] Because if there's one thing that Stallman has consistently predicted, it's that if you give your private data to a firm, they will absolutely use it however they want. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight

Check https://www.reddit.com/r/AntiFacebook

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by crdoconnor »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #54
timanglade wrote: post #17

Considering the backlash against Slack [0], it’ll be interesting to see if Messenger’s model of more “atomic” conversations will create less interruptions. Slack (much like IRC) really contributes to an expectation of continuous conversation throughout the day/night (although not all people deal with it that way). In comparison, Messenger (and other chat apps like WhatsApp, iMessage, etc.) seem to be more designed to…

I appreciate that slack by default mutes all conversations after like 6 pm. Creating an opt-in model sets a much better expectation.

I didn't really appreciate that feature when I realized that it assumed that I was in San Francisco and was muting conversations at 6PM pacific.
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