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Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by Funnnny »

timanglade wrote: post #17

Considering the backlash against Slack [0], it’ll be interesting to see if Messenger’s model of more “atomic” conversations will create less interruptions. Slack (much like IRC) really contributes to an expectation of continuous conversation throughout the day/night (although not all people deal with it that way). In comparison, Messenger (and other chat apps like WhatsApp, iMessage, etc.) seem to be more designed to…

As an user of FB@W, and now Workspace, its Work Chat is largely useless. No native client, no API, the only crowd control is group.

It's just a dumbed down version of Messenger, and I don't think a team in my company want to use it, Slack is much better and worth learning. After several months we're just using it as another Viber/Whatsapp/etc..

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by dingaling »

troygoode wrote: post #8

Here is a more direct look at the actual features: https://fbatwork.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/workplace_3min_...

Thank you, that was useful.

An horrifically cluttered UI, but having evaluated many of these workplace collabortaion tools in the past it's actually pretty par for the course. For some reason our HR partners always wanted everything on one page, like a massive disfunctional sci-fi spacecraft dashboard with lights flashing everywhere.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by eatbitseveryday »

justanton wrote: post #189
googlereject wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The simple solution to anyone concerned about this is to just stop using Facebook. I've done so and it turned out to be a great decision. Contrary to the belief that you'll be "left out," people can and do get in touch with you for the important things. SMS, email, phone, snapchat, etc all work really well today, and you can get your social news fix from reddit, HN, and elsewhere if you need it. I've gotten measurabl…

I absolutely agree with you on what you said. But how do you deal with the problem, when you have to, say, create an event and make people aware of it? Are there any alternatives to FB?

> create an event and make people aware of it?

Send an email and CC everyone you want to invite?

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by eropple »

res0nat0r wrote: post #177
eropple wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Changed", no. Reified an existing one by providing additional reinforcement to the expectations of instant access? Certainly.

But that isn't at all Slacks fault, it is your company culture and people.

I don't agree with that at all. I am a consultant. I see lots of companies. I see lots of companies jumping on the "plug our employees 24/7 into everything" bandwagon. Slack has a moral obligation--we all have the moral obligation--to not be the stooge of bad actors just as it works to improve the productivity of good ones. If Slack took this seriously, it would do significantly more to protect its users from toxic behavior.

For example: it is possible to ignore people's do-not-disturb settings (added relatively recently, after a long period of asking) to force their phone to blow up at four in the morning. This empowers assholes to be bigger assholes and strengthens a shitty culture by providing tools to be shittier; you can never not be at their beck and call; if you refuse to answer, that's you being bad and not the person who feels entitled to interrupt your life on a whim.

You also cannot mute or block users on a Slack. This disempowers people downrange of assholes and strengthens a shitty culture by not providing tools to avoid the perpetuators of shitty culture. (They have been asked for this feature and have refused.)

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by justabystander »

res0nat0r wrote: post #176
Zelphyr wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For most people, the thirteen years from age 19 to 32 involves a great deal of maturity and in many respects I imagine the same applies to him. But if he started out as somewhat unscrupulous, what evidence do we have that the pressures of having to appease investors is going to change that in a positive way when it comes to people's private information? Especially considering the kind of revenue that data can generat…

Any evidence of FB going directly against their privacy rules other than silly quotes from a decade or more ago?

> Any evidence of FB going directly against their privacy rules

Whether or not they go against their own rules is a moot point, given their history of changing those rules and systems with little to no notice or documentation.

They've modified privacy multiple times and changed defaults so as to trick users into sharing more than intended. There was an article not long ago about privacy implications of sharing links in the messenger, as they store links in such a way as to track the history of unrelated people who also shared the link. Not to mention various issues with undocumented collection of private data on mobile devices.

Facebook isn't really a company deserving of third-party defense in the arena of privacy.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by shard972 »

onewaystreet wrote: post #114
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

Mark Zuckerberg said those things when he was 19 over a decade ago. He's now a father, the CEO of a global company with over 12,000 employees and one of the richest people in the world. Maybe he has matured since then?

Has he ever addressed his comments?

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pmlnr »

zkhalique wrote: post #180
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

No need to impugn Zuckerberg himself from 2005 when you can talk about the company: 2006: http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?men... 2010: http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/127409/faceboo... 2013: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2047804/facebooks-new-face-re... 2016: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/03/business/international/fac...

There is an interesting resistance, usually from US people, when it's a company; the debate nearly always ends up as "then don't use it", and that companies should be able to decide and do whatever people willing to allow the, by using the service.

These people usually refuse to see that FB has become a generic provider without regulation and competitor and in numerous cases you don't have the choice not use it. In my case, it's even in my workplace now. (Same workplace which is looking to migrate to Gmail from Exchange - and Cyrus before that - despite the countless business secrets that might be in mails.)

Quoting a person talks to everyone, even to those who trust a company no one should.

But thank you for these link, it kind of proves that the quote still stands.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pmlnr »

googlereject wrote: post #120
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

The simple solution to anyone concerned about this is to just stop using Facebook. I've done so and it turned out to be a great decision. Contrary to the belief that you'll be "left out," people can and do get in touch with you for the important things. SMS, email, phone, snapchat, etc all work really well today, and you can get your social news fix from reddit, HN, and elsewhere if you need it. I've gotten measurabl…

And how exactly one does this when you have to use fb@work at your workplace?

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pmlnr »

0xmohit wrote: post #150
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

The brighter side is that FB could now be a trustworthy source of information about corporates. Some of that information might also be useful for making informed decisions on whether to buy/sell a given security. Oh actually, the possibilities are infinite.

Interesting approach. I kind of like it, but then this information should be public, if ypu want actual good things to happen, and not stored in another private company.
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