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Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by nickpsecurity »

alexqgb wrote: post #139
_RPM wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm. Maybe you should think about it more abstractly because these things are quite similar.

The differences in maturity between 19 and 31 are tremendous, while those between 60 and 70 are virtually non existent, so no, these cases are not quite similar at all. For what it's worth, rental car companies won't allow drivers under 25 because their insurance companies have a wealth of data to demonstrate that's when reliable levels of independent judgement emerge. For the same reason, militaries prefer soldiers…

"For what it's worth, rental car companies won't allow drivers under 25 because their insurance companies have a wealth of data to demonstrate that's when reliable levels of independent judgement emerge. For the same reason, militaries prefer soldiers who are under 25."

That's a very uncommon and great way to look at military recruitment. I've been focusing on the "not enough judgment for beer or voting but good enough for murder" angle but I think I might quote you too. ;)

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by sanderjd »

DamnYuppie wrote: post #24
theuri wrote: post #7

Is this driven by the digital collaboration at work trend started by Slack, or intended to be an entirely different beast?

I find it hard to believe that people believe Slack started the trend. There have been countless such services in the past. Back in the terrible dark ages of the internet, pre-2000, we used AIM to have those type of discussions. Was very valuable as we had development teams all over the country and was a quick way to determine who the expert was for a given question and get them into a conversation. If it was too cum…

People in "normal" non-techy workplaces are aware of and interested in Slack. Mainstream workplace group messaging in these sorts of organizations (which make up a lot more of the economy than the ones in our bubble) is a fairly new trend, which Slack deserves a lot of credit for.

This is a common mistake - the existence of technology is not the same as mainstream adoption.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by nstart »

pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

Why is this even part of the discussion. This was a long time ago and we have no objective proof that they are in the business of abusing privacy and trust. I'm all for a good discussion of multiple view points but not via something thats baseless. If he had shown signs of having no regard for privacy in recent times then fine. But he's time and time again spoken of privacy. Leaving all that aside, they are audited by a 3rd party. That cannot and should not be negated by some frivolous use of a person's statement when he was far less mature and handling far less responsibility. Let's not breed unhealthy conversation please.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by nickpsecurity »

Swizec wrote: post #135
scient wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except all of this stuff is most like covered in your contract and you would be sued your ass off if you would ever abuse the access you have, right?

Sure, so would the CEO. And that is of little concern to anyone impacted by such an abuse and of little concern to a 19 year old having a "Holy shit people trust me" moment. I had similar moments running my own stuff in college, if you quoted me out of context I would sound way eviler than Zuck's quote I'm sure. Power, even just a modicum of power, makes 19 year old say dumb shit. That whole thing about impulse contr…

"The more important question is did he ever abuse that access? [in a way that isn't described in the TOS]"

The terms of service is one of those shrink-wrap style of licenses that gives them close to free reign. There's plenty of abuse and sneakiness of Facebook on record. He was fine with it all. He also wasn't 19 during most of it. He also still does things that contradict his profit-motivated claims like most scumbags do. Key one being lying about value of privacy while buying nearby properties to ensure his.

It's not that his opponents are taking one moment of an honest or halfway-decent businessman's past to paint a picture of his entire life. He's ensured that him being an ambitious, lying scumbag with a similar company is what we see him as despite the PR work. He tries hard to justify those actions over time. Then this bombshell dropped which fit totally with his actions over a long period of time to the present moment. As in, "screw everyone and get rich." It's just extra, more-specific corroboration of what seemed true all along.

That's why we're giving Zuckerberg so much shit over it. It clearly reflects who he is. He's simply a wiser, moderate monster now. ;)

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by bogomipz »

linkregister wrote: post #47
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American surveillance infrastructure was deployed, allegedly for corporate espionage, against targets in France [1], Germany and Brazil [2]. The IMF, the World Bank and the EU antitrust commissioner, amongst others, were likely targeted to help politically-connected companies [3]. [1] http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-d..…

I appreciate your links to articles about espionage activities with corporate targets. None of them mention any examples of economic benefit, due or undue. The infamous Petrobras espionage that was implied because it appeared in a slide in a training presentation is a great example of justified espionage (if it occurred; it probably occurred). Less than 2 years later, Petrobras was implicated in massive corruption sc…

>"The infamous Petrobras espionage that was implied because it appeared in a slide in a training presentation ..."

This is interesting, I hadn't heard of this, are there any links to the slide?

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by ndesaulniers »

Previous job used Yammer. People spent most of their time on the site complaining about the company there. Daily notifications by default containing a ton of garbage. After reading Corporate Confidential by Cynthia Shapiro I figured it was a tool for HR to hold opinions against individuals, so I deleted my account and kept my opinions to myself.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by Zelphyr »

lucasmullens wrote: post #144
Zelphyr wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence do we have that he has matured? It's not a matter of being an immature college kid anymore. In many respects he has a financial incentive to abuse people's privacy now.

I think it's fair to assume that going from a 19-year-old college kid to the CEO of a giant corporation involves maturing quite a bit.

For most people, the thirteen years from age 19 to 32 involves a great deal of maturity and in many respects I imagine the same applies to him. But if he started out as somewhat unscrupulous, what evidence do we have that the pressures of having to appease investors is going to change that in a positive way when it comes to people's private information? Especially considering the kind of revenue that data can generate.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by nercht12 »

lucasmullens wrote: post #144
Zelphyr wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence do we have that he has matured? It's not a matter of being an immature college kid anymore. In many respects he has a financial incentive to abuse people's privacy now.

I think it's fair to assume that going from a 19-year-old college kid to the CEO of a giant corporation involves maturing quite a bit.

Maybe in business practice, not necessarily character. Just look at Trump. (Not to pick on him, but I don't find Trump to be practicing the etiquette I would associate with a man in his position. As for Zuckerberg, I'm not saying he's childish either. I'm just questioning your point.)

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by nercht12 »

maverick_iceman wrote: post #133
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

If you don't trust Facebook, don't use Facebook.

And use Privacy Badger.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by Zelphyr »

nstart wrote: post #163
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

Why is this even part of the discussion. This was a long time ago and we have no objective proof that they are in the business of abusing privacy and trust. I'm all for a good discussion of multiple view points but not via something thats baseless. If he had shown signs of having no regard for privacy in recent times then fine. But he's time and time again spoken of privacy. Leaving all that aside, they are audited b…

I think its a perfectly valid part of the discussion. Facebook holds a great deal of power with the kinds of personal data they possess so I don't have a problem whatsoever holding them to the highest standard possible when it comes to private information.
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