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The Dash developer posted his side of the story including a recorded call with Apple: https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-and-apple-my-side-of-the-story
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Please read and listen again. He did not register the account, nor use his credentials (if he had, apple's contact attempts would've reached him). He only paid for it, and donated hardware.
The bank account used is credentials and Apple considers both accounts to belong to (quote) "the same legal entity" based on that fact. This is the way Apple conducts business.
Kapeli is in Romania where credit card ownership is less common, and the "legal entity link" we're talking about is just a nominal $99/fee and some older devices. Moreover, Apple is admitting they they see them as distinct accounts, only notified one of them, and completely ignored the fact that Kapeli's side of the linked accounts had high credibility.
It sounds like Apple is desperately trying to justify the not-very-smart algorithm of an automated "booter" program rather than giving Kapeli the respect and due diligence that he deserves as a top developer.
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It is certainly knowable that the identity on the credit card is part of the verification process and that it must match his own. If the name he entered wasn't his own, the verification would likely have been denied: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6238222?tstart=0 That's why I'm suspicious as to which name he actually entered.
Suspicion is fine with me. You could ask him via his twitter account. :)
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And here's Kapeli's explanation of what happened: https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-and-apple-my-side-of-the-story !!! it includes a recording of a phone call with Apple !!! Edit: After listening to the first 2 minutes of the call, i can say with absolute confidence that Apple is straight-up blackmailing him. I would love to hear opinions on whether this is something that could be taken to court. Here's the HN submission…
After listening to the entire thing, I can say that Kapeli sounds like a complete ignoramus. He has registered an account using his credentials, the account was involved in fraudulent activity, that makes him responsible, as an individual. Why is Apple supposed to even care that he doesn't control the other account anymore? He's supposed to control the account, according to the terms of service he agreed to. If he do…
Sorry, not buying it.
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It is indeed the way they do, but you are saying he should've known that, when he had in fact no way of knowing.
I think I'm much less invested in this than you two but I can say that it would strike me as very unusual to pay for someone else's account with Apple. For example, Mithaldu, if an anonymous outsourcing party rendered you a service, than rather than wire them money or pay via paypal, would you be okay with paying for an apple account with them, with no further relationship, and you don't even know who they are? Proba…
[edit: given the down votes, I guess the HN crowd has rich friends or doesn't do mentoring. Sometimes the people you sponsor don't get it right]
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Call recording is not illegal in every state.
I believe it is in California without their permission, not 100% sure.
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After listening to the entire thing, I can say that Kapeli sounds like a complete ignoramus. He has registered an account using his credentials, the account was involved in fraudulent activity, that makes him responsible, as an individual. Why is Apple supposed to even care that he doesn't control the other account anymore? He's supposed to control the account, according to the terms of service he agreed to. If he do…
Completely, 100% agree with galacticpony. This whole story sounds suspect and I'm falling square on Apple's side here. Kapeli set up a relative with a developer account AND that relative was involved in fraudulent activity that benefits Kapeli and/or damages his competitors? Either Kapeli is lying and did set up his relative to help him out with fraudulent reviews, or he was so negligible so as to risk damage to his…
This does not completely absolve Kapeli, but the bigger problem here is that Kapeli is (was) a top developer on Apple's platform and had oodles of credibility. He deserved a better investigation than Apple gave him, and to at least have his own ("linked") account notified of the problem before getting banned.
[1] http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_373_en.p...
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I'd like to think we can keep personal attacks like this off of HN without some sort of substantiation.
How is this a personal attack? It simply acknowledges that both of these websites are written by individuals. Would the substance of the comment be different had he simply used the website's names?
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Call recording is not illegal in every state.
I believe it is in California without their permission, not 100% sure.
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He's based in Romania, where (as best I can tell) one-party consent is legal [1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#Roman...
California doesn't care: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#One-p... ) "he California Supreme Court ruled in 2006 that if a caller in a one-party state records a conversation with someone in California, that one-party state caller is subject to the stricter of the laws and must have consent from all callers (cf. Kearney v. Salomon Smith Barney Inc., 39 Cal. 4th 95[38]). " But it does make it less…
Romania doesn't care either, considering how it is not subject to US law.