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Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I always thought open offices became popular because it was literally the cheapest set up for facilities. For startups it worked because all you had to buy was desks. Somehow that got spun in to 'open offices are so sexy!' Open offices are horrible for productivity imo. Moved to a job with an office and it is so. much. better.

The efficiency gain with open offices is that, for high-growth companies -- or ones that are uncertain about their long-term size, it's pretty easy to shuffle furniture around to squeeze in more people. When walls and doors get involved, you're committing to "each person gets X sq. ft", for a company that may grow from x to 2x employees. That said, they're a disaster for productivity.

> each person gets X sq. ft

Which is how it should be, even with open offices.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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In addition open offices: * Are usually cheaper * Look good in photo ops and publicity: "Look how much everyone is working together _all the time_. So much activity happening! We are not like those places with loners and antisocial people hiding in cubicles" * Cubicles were used to be associated with boring, slow bureaucratic offices. Those 4 things conspire to make them more popular. I think it is simpler a function…

> Cubicles were used to be associated with boring, slow bureaucratic offices. Honestly, I'd rather work in a "boring, slow bureaucratic office" than at some hip modern startup. The "boring, slow bureaucratic office" probably takes better care of their employees and offers a less-stressful work environment.

The former is intellectual suicide, the latter, philosophical suicide.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I used to work at FB and the huge, open offices were one of my least favourite parts about the job. I worked in the London office for a year and that was actually a little better because it's smaller and generally quieter there, but the three years that I did in the Menlo Park offices were not particularly fun for all the reasons described. It's very difficult to concentrate when there's constant background noise. Mercifully, all the teams I worked with were based in the old Sun campus rather than the new warehouse style Gehry building across the road - I'm told that the noise and general foot traffic in the new offices was at times completely unbearable. There were a huge number of pot plants, whiteboards and other makeshift obstacles used to try and block paths between desks there, both to block out noise and to channel foot traffic away from groups of people fed up with being disturbed.

The worst thing of all (in my opinion) is the fact that the open office culture is simply accepted there as being the best thing for all concerned. It's like a theory that cannot be challenged. The introverts basically don't get listened to, while the extroverts can sing and dance with happiness. This surprised me greatly because anyone who's worked at FB will tell you that it's a hugely data-driven company - lots of people did try a great many times to suggest that we should trial team-sized offices or at least something different to the status quo, even providing studies and statistics to back up their hypotheses, but the requests always fell on deaf ears. I'm not sure it was ever taken seriously as a concern despite numerous articles like this being linked internally and debated ad infinitum. It's a real shame, as the company was a pretty great place to work on most other levels.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Open offices were developed by people who don't have to really concentrate for their job. They're awful for developers.

What are the alternatives to open offices for companies with hundreds or thousands of developers? Do you have offices with dozens of people split up by team? I've been to the AWS headquarters in Seattle and I think that's what their setup is like but I didn't get too much of a chance to look around. I've worked on systems administrations teams that had their own office and being able to close the door was awesome.

> What are the alternatives to open offices for companies with hundreds or thousands of developers? Do you have offices with dozens of people split up by team?

Offices. Team Rooms. Decent cubicles.

Microsoft has offices for developers. Even they are somewhat jumping on the Open Office bandwagon (or team rooms).

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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The big problem with open office plan is that when people form groups and talk, it becomes distraction for everyone else. You cannot expect that people always move out of the working area to have small discussions. I was working in an office where we had an open office. My team only had 3 people. We were made sit next to design team where designers formed a group and had lengthy discussions about UX. I newly joined this place and it was impossible for me to raise a voice and tell them to keep their voices low. I tried to tell them to keep their voices low but their job demanded having discussions over a topic. As a result of this I avoided writing code during office hours and only focussed on replying emails, discussions. I used to spend my important office time doing trivial tasks and browsing web and only did coding after office hours. This obviously resulted in more unhappiness over a long period of time. This also became my habit now and I can no longer focus on coding especially when I am in office because of distractions. I am only able to write code in alone after office hours at my home/office.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Well, I'd never be able to find the people who implemented the open floor plan. That's one of the problems with huge companies - the guilty are to often anonymous ;-) The problem with the sales person is that there are room set aside for making phone calls (whether personal or business) and there are always some available, but apparently that is entirely too unreasonable to expect someone with a laptop to go find a r…

Have you asked her?

Good question. In the past we've had some issues with this, and it's possible to mildly influence volume and "out in public" call frequency downward by asking. But it requires a combination of a thick hide and some institutional status to make it happen. If the person you are asking is a peer or a senior, forget it.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Simple supply and demand analysis shows that goods command higher prices when supply is lower.

And indeed the supply of good engineers is low. If Facebook insists on hiring only them, then it makes sense that they're paying more on average.

> Facebook insists on hiring only them

They insist only on hiring those who pass their interview.

Seems to overlap with the set of good devs, but it's definitely not the entire set.

Which hey, good for them I guess.

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(Disclosure: FB employee) Most of the problems about overhearing conversations, etc, can be dealt with by a nice pair of headphones. Here, it's universally accepted as the 'do not disturb' signal.

I don't like wearing headphones all day. That's a stupid solution to a problem created by stupidity in the first place.

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I'm a developer who recently moved from a large open space to a small quiet room with just a handful of people. To me it feels like a big downgrade. I loved the constant chatter in the open space, and I was much more aware of what the whole team is concerned with. I felt that it was very important for setting my work priorities right. Meetings and emails are much more restrictive than just sitting next to everyone wh…

I'm a developer who recently moved from a large open space to a small quiet room with just a handful of people. To me it feels like a big downgrade. I loved the constant chatter in the open space I'm going to guess that there's some individual variation in preference for quiet / noise. I'm the kind of person who can't really get deep work done, like writing proposals or novels, in noisy, busy environments. I look at…

Coffee shops are very different; the noise is not that of colleagues but of random strangers. The effect can be almost like white noise. Colleagues talk about things that you can't help but get involved with.
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