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Re: iPhone OS 4.0

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I installed 4.0 a few days ago on my 3G and only notable difference is the folders. I think to use multi-tasking I need to upgrade my phone to 3gs? Stinks if that's correct!

Stinks?! Really? Apple have done a pretty good job of backporting features where it makes sense to do so.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#22
One thing I have not seen mentioned anywhere is that iPhone 4.0 make web apps more usable than before, since it no longer reload the web app every time you switch back and forth from the home screen, as long as it's still active in the task switcher.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be interesting to see if the older phones get this. As you say it can function as a recently used list, even if those apps are not running, the user shouldn't have to care about the distinction.

If this is what people want (a LRU stack of apps), wouldn't they'd be better off making the dock do this, instead of introducing a third app area?

I don't think so, the dock works well for "frequently used", which is not the same as "recently used".

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

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post #7

Android has an almost-identical "task switcher" (press and hold the Home button to show a popup of recent apps). I don't think anyone I know uses it regularly - and I just spent 18 months working in a 30-person Android software company.

I can only speak for myself, but I definitely use task switching all the time. I spent a lot of time with a Nokia N810 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810 before I had a smartphone, and its interface was more like a regular desktop, with a taskbar, etc.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#25

I installed 4.0 a few days ago on my 3G and only notable difference is the folders. I think to use multi-tasking I need to upgrade my phone to 3gs? Stinks if that's correct!

Stinks?! Really? Apple have done a pretty good job of backporting features where it makes sense to do so.

Still stinks though if he can't get the full update.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#27
Has anyone tried installing OS 4.0 via iTunes on Windows? The fact that they're distributing it as a dmg made me wary...

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

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I know, another article about the iPhone, but I really liked this bit (with relevance beyond the iPhone OS): «I think it’s fair to say that most people involved in interaction design tend to agree that hierarchical file systems have largely failed their users. […] However, when we say ‹hierarchical file systems don’t work›, most of us end that sentence with ‹so we need to replace them with something better› in our he…

To play devil's advocate for a minute: One possibility is that the most useful method of organizing data is necessarily different for each application. There are even applications for which hierarchical organization is entirely appropriate at the UI level: An obvious example is an outliner. And it's not a coincidence that our filesystem UIs have little icons of file-cabinet drawers and file folders: The real world fe…

I agree. For certain applications, strongly hierarchical organization is appropriate. I think it's probably best if they're separate per-application hierarchies. The One Tree file system model is really aesthetically appealing to us hierarchically-structured thinkers, but most people don't seem to think that way.

Interesting to note how it's done on the iPad: Photos, for example, are stored in a hierarchy (in certain views at least; there's not a strong sense that the "true" scheme they're stored in is an hierarchical one), but no folder metaphor is used. It's just stacks of images.

Likewise, the "folders" in OS 4.0 are that in name and function only. They are represented more like the stacks of photos, though the objects "in" them are shown as tiled (with a linear view when tapped, for easier picking) rather than overlapping, though, in that case. But an opaque container isn't used.

So, in both cases, the objects are collected without the container being drawn attention to.

This may limit the number of levels of hierarchy that are possible (stacks of photos within stacks of photos would break the metaphor... not that people put real-life folders within folders very often), but most users don't like deep hierarchies anyway, and the extra hierarchy of objects being stored "within" apps helps mitigate that as well as segregate things somewhat naturally by type.

Of course certain tasks will always require deep, complex hierarchies.

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

#29

I installed 4.0 a few days ago on my 3G and only notable difference is the folders. I think to use multi-tasking I need to upgrade my phone to 3gs? Stinks if that's correct!

Stinks?! Really? Apple have done a pretty good job of backporting features where it makes sense to do so.

Well Id like to upgrade to the 3gs and I do so for $200, but only way I can get a 3gs due to cellphone contract is pay $500 or more. Which is the cost of the iPad, which does not makes sense. Is Apple saying after 4 years of the iPhone in production the cost to manufacture both the iPhone & iPad are the same? Bullcrap AT&T/Apple!

Re: iPhone OS 4.0

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post #7

Android has an almost-identical "task switcher" (press and hold the Home button to show a popup of recent apps). I don't think anyone I know uses it regularly - and I just spent 18 months working in a 30-person Android software company.

I actually use it, especially when I'm trying to go back and forth between email, maps, and music.

As do I. It's one of the best things about Android, I've found. Going back and forth between two applications directly is very, very efficient for using a mobile OS, I've found. I think the author is wrong in saying that it appears as a "random selection" of apps. If I'm using it, it's because I remembered that I was just using another app. I'm not using it for discovery; I'm using it as a shortcut.
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