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Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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When my company moved to an open office plan we, the developers, tried to argue that we needed the ability to concentrate and that this would hinder that. We were told that every job required concentration and that we shouldn't be such prima donnas who think we are special snowflakes. Someday I'm going to get a special snowglobe and shove it down the throat of the sales lady who sits next to me who holds conference c…

Every job requires concentration, so the company interrupts everyone?

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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While this may affect a developer's decision to work at Facebook, my first thought is that Joel is ignoring the gorilla in the room. The number one reason that people don't want to work at Facebook is their product and mission. As someone in the comments mentioned, SpaceX has very tight and open cubicles, but people there are paid _below_ market rates, and they are doing _very_ deep work, so Joel's argument doesn't hold water in all cases.

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As the moderator of a Reddit sub focused on comp sci careers, I don't think the open office is an issue for junior level developers. The worship of what we in that sub call the big 4 (some combo of Google, Facebook, Apple (or Microsoft), Amazon) is pretty much what you hear from every college senior, and I've never heard anyone even mention this as a negative. Of course these are mostly people who haven't had much ex…

I'm under the impression that Microsoft was The One Company of the big five that still gives its employees offices with doors.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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An open office wouldn't be so bad if library-like codes of silence were enforced.

Yep. Work in an office with communal[1] music, it's really bad for focus. I would say that this policy likely loses us money. [1] controlled by a clique, really

I used to work in a place like that, sometimes I would get up and dance (badly) and shout banging chooons! ... they soon turned it off.

Another place they had the radio on so I would laugh loudly at the DJs jokes, then say oh man, so funny, but so distracting, what was I doing again? Oh hell. I can't remember. They turned that off too.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Is there anyone here who likes open offices more than a floorplan divised into smaller rooms? I ask because I've worked in an open office setting as a developer for years (the place is otherwise nice) and thoroughly despise it as a workspace. Yet some people don't seem to mind it. I don't mind serendipity. The problem is I serendiptously overhear everyones discussion which is incredibly disruptive for deep work. Fact…

I've worked in a 2-person office, in a cubicle, and in open office plans of various sizes. I personally prefer the open office format. It makes the team feel more cohesive, it makes me able to jump in to problems that are happening, and it's never stopped me from doing work that requires deep concentration. And if I really wanted to, I could book a small conference room or go to a corner booth somewhere away from my team and work there, but I don't ever feel the need to.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Facebook is paying 40-50 percent more than other places, which is usually a sign developers don’t want to work there. More likely a sign of a high hiring bar and corresponding paycheck.

Simple supply and demand analysis shows that goods command higher prices when supply is lower.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Open offices were developed by people who don't have to really concentrate for their job. They're awful for developers.

People go to cafes to work. It is not closed cubicles there. And I think they are able to concentrate more. I know for one that I can.

I too loathe the disruptiveness of my employer's open office plan, but have found I can easily focus in a cafe. In part, I suspect this stems from mentally being able to classify cafe conversations as "ignorable noise of strangers", whereas in the office, any conversation I hear both comes from a familiar voice and is likely related to the work at hand. Some portion of my mind inevitably tunes-in to these cues.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I worked for a year at IBM's RTP campus. Everyone had their own dimly lit cube with 5-foot walls, no natural daylight, and white noise playing over speakers to drown out conversation. The depressing undertone of the office was part of what pushed me to quit. My team at my present job works in an open setting with 8 people in the room and windows with natural daylight. It's quiet enough to focus but gives us the oppor…

There's an ideal middle ground, which is private offices with outdoor-facing windows and open workspaces available elsewhere. Sometimes you need to be alone and concentrate, sometimes you need to be surrounded by some activity and social interaction.
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