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Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger"

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see any evidence that this is a "reverse engineering" of a Segway - it seems to be more of a "re-engineering" from scratch.

Is there a practical difference?

Yes, a re-engineering cannot be prevented by the original company through secrecy, obfuscation, or legal threats.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger"

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The problem with the Segway is that it is too slow for a motorised vehicle. Even though it moves a lot faster than walking, I bet it feels really slow because you're not doing anything else while riding it. If I'm not exerting physical effort to move, I want the damn thing to move fast. Unlike with a bicycle or car, there is no link between what you are doing and your speed.

Maybe they should add some kind of stepper thing which speeds up the thing. So, old people can just cruise at the base speed and others can step up the speed.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger"

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post #7

Is the rest of the book this good?

I read it back in 2003 I believe, just after I got into Macs and got really interested in studying about Steve Jobs. It was an entertaining read for sure. Nothing spectacular but this particular chapter is the one that stands out to me after all these years.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger"

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I don't want to sound cocky, but I could have saved Dean a lot of grief and time if I had the chance before he launched the segway. The reason the segway failed is because people look like fucking dorks when they ride them. I'm surprised Jobs didn't make that remark (maybe thats what he meant when he was criticizing the design). When they revealed it on the Today show they had people riding around on them with bike h…

Have you rode one before?

If not, I highly suggest you try it. The control system feels so natural. It's like a motorcycle on your feet.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger"

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"Not a good reason, in Jobs's view, because the code could easily be reverse-engineered. No it couldn't, said Tim. Could, said Jobs." I don't know where Jobs gets his instincts about this stuff, but he was totally right: http://tlb.org/scooter.html

It's easy: any code can easily be reverse- or re-engineered.

In a world where people crack encryption schemes or write open-source drivers for hardware without any documentation or specifications to speak of -- for fun, mind you -- it's the height of either arrogance or ignorance to assume that something won't be re-created just because it's hard.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger"

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post #26

I don't want to sound cocky, but I could have saved Dean a lot of grief and time if I had the chance before he launched the segway. The reason the segway failed is because people look like fucking dorks when they ride them. I'm surprised Jobs didn't make that remark (maybe thats what he meant when he was criticizing the design). When they revealed it on the Today show they had people riding around on them with bike h…

Have you rode one before? If not, I highly suggest you try it. The control system feels so natural. It's like a motorcycle on your feet.

I've never ridden a Segway (although I certainly would like to) but having owned motorcycles for over 15 years (mostly sport bikes), I'm having a hard time understanding this analogy.

To be fair - I've used a similar analogy for a modern sportbike. "It's like running really fast" - most modern sportbikes are so compact that they aren't anywhere in your field of vision.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger"

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious? I side with pg. "Too lazy to walk, ya fuckin homo?" http://www.paulgraham.com/segway.html

That's... not exactly a quote, now is it?

It should have been written "'Too lazy to walk, ya fuckin' homo?'"

Although I'm not entirely sure of his conclusion that bike-like styling would be a solution to this problem. Plenty of us get the occasional homophobic insults from jagoff motorists.

On that topic, I think another reason the Segway wasn't very successful is that it has few compelling advantages over a $300 bike-- it has the same speed, has a lower range and is harder to refuel, doesn't fit in that well with existing infrastructure, and doesn't get you exercise. The only upside I can think of is that, because you aren't exercising, you don't sweat (slow down riding your bike or take a shower!) and that it's high-tech.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's... not exactly a quote, now is it?

It should have been written "'Too lazy to walk, ya fuckin' homo?'" Although I'm not entirely sure of his conclusion that bike-like styling would be a solution to this problem. Plenty of us get the occasional homophobic insults from jagoff motorists. On that topic, I think another reason the Segway wasn't very successful is that it has few compelling advantages over a $300 bike-- it has the same speed, has a lower ran…

It also doesn't require effort and people are lazy.
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