Black Mirror episode in 2013 had the same plot.
Such an incredible show, new episodes later this month on Netflix, can't wait.
Thanks for this. I loved this show and had no idea. Can't wait either!
When her best friend died, she rebuilt him using artificial intelligence
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Re: When her best friend died, she rebuilt him using artificial intelligence
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Why are people acting like a simple chatbot is somehow a recreation of a person? Because AI means whatever people imagine it to mean, and the media loves to take full advantage. Even "machine learning" can mean that to the lay person. The closest thing that would probably evoke an accurate reaction in a lay person would be "When her best friend died, she rebuilt him using statistics."
Modern physics says that statistics is essentially what you need to model a universe. Statistics isn't the weakness, the paucity and the bounded nature of the dataset is.
That's not true.
Re: When her best friend died, she rebuilt him using artificial intelligence
#43Black Mirror episode in 2013 had the same plot.
Tales from the Dark side did it first. Mookie and Pookie
Re: When her best friend died, she rebuilt him using artificial intelligence
#44Why are people acting like a simple chatbot is somehow a recreation of a person? It isn't a person, it's a chatbot. There is even a company saying that they will try to revive people with a combination of chatlogs and brain scans or something. Chatlogs aren't going to bridge the gap between what you can get with brain scans and what you need to do a full emulation. Even if humanity does succeed in doing complete mind…
> Why are people acting like a simple chatbot is somehow a recreation of a person? I hate to state the obvious, but, because they are emotionally heart-broken?
Unfortunately, many people are not good at grieving and healing. I wish there was a way for people to learn how to do that instead of rely on fakes. But not sure what the answer is when they're so emotionally distraught that they default to such lengths. I'm reminded of those who get their old dogs cloned after their original dog dies. It doesn't seem like a good thing for the mind long-term to think an artificial replacement is the same companion. It's better to get a completely new dog, new friends, etc. I'm no psychologist, but this type of option seems like a scary start in potentially breaking from reality.
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#45"An uncomfortable truth suggested by the Roman bot is that many of our flesh-and-blood relationships now exist primarily as exchanges of texts, which are becoming increasingly easy to mimic" This. I was reflecting with a friend today how with modern social networks there is this strange feeling of being connected yet somehow disconnected. I think the above paragraph captures this same essence. We discussed that maybe…
Disconnect to reconnect. Interconnectivity is the devil in the details.
This bot is not anyone. It's a bunch of data in a computer that randomly spits out data that seems relevant to whoever is talking to it. If you asked it a pointed question about current events, it has no context to answer you. It is not alive. It is not a person. It is an echo of us, but it is not us. A person is a living entity that is entangled with all local entities and is a reflection of those entities in near real time (or as much as the speed of causality allows).
Eugenia is wandering into the region where there be dragons. That bot is not her lover, her friend, or anything else. Somehow, we've come to this point we allow people to render their internal realities to us in a way we must accept those realities as truth - which is monumentally stupid from an efficiency standpoint. This bot is not anyone and talking to it is a dangerous game of recursion and wasteful energy that leads to what the Buddhists call "short buddha". It is literally 2nd thought extended into a historic chat history. That chat history AI isn't a reflection of all of us anymore and could be replicated a 1,000 times over. Or a million. Or a billion. In each, it becomes obviously pointless and this place becomes more obviously appropriate to hang out in.
Re: When her best friend died, she rebuilt him using artificial intelligence
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why are people acting like a simple chatbot is somehow a recreation of a person? I hate to state the obvious, but, because they are emotionally heart-broken?
Unfortunately, many people are not good at grieving and healing. I wish there was a way for people to learn how to do that instead of rely on fakes. But not sure what the answer is when they're so emotionally distraught that they default to such lengths. I'm reminded of those who get their old dogs cloned after their original dog dies. It doesn't seem like a good thing for the mind long-term to think an artificial re…
Sorry but this is a little judgemental. Even a photo is 'fake'. This is somewhere between a photo and a cloned copy. I don't think there is reason to believe (yet) that this will lead most people's minds to break from reality. It may be an effective coping mechanism while they slowly adapt to the passing of their loved one.
Re: When her best friend died, she rebuilt him using artificial intelligence
#47Why are people acting like a simple chatbot is somehow a recreation of a person? It isn't a person, it's a chatbot. There is even a company saying that they will try to revive people with a combination of chatlogs and brain scans or something. Chatlogs aren't going to bridge the gap between what you can get with brain scans and what you need to do a full emulation. Even if humanity does succeed in doing complete mind…
Then you pay rent to the server farm to keep your ancestors alive in perpetuity. Generations of them, all criticizing you from the ungrave, soon they'll have voting rights .. soon, you'll be them. That's why we at Forever Now are offering insurance against the untimely death of a descendent. Who will be around to make sure your process isn't niced? You'll be as free and fast after life as you where in life, that's ou…
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Re: When her best friend died, she rebuilt him using artificial intelligence
#48Why are people acting like a simple chatbot is somehow a recreation of a person? It isn't a person, it's a chatbot. There is even a company saying that they will try to revive people with a combination of chatlogs and brain scans or something. Chatlogs aren't going to bridge the gap between what you can get with brain scans and what you need to do a full emulation. Even if humanity does succeed in doing complete mind…
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with the analogy to a sorting algorithm is that a sorting algorithm is obviously computable. What if there's something like protein folding that has O(2^n) complexity involved in being a person that the body does trillions of times a second but is impossible for any size computer to do for large N?
That seems a very specific/narrow point, not a general objection. But anyway: I guess its possible human biological hardware does something difficult to simulate on a computer (at least one similar to our current architectures.) Given a super advanced intelligence, though, I doubt adding hardware that does protein folding (or the protein folding analogue operation) fast - in biology if necessary - is going to be a ma…
If we could compute everything in a living system in polynomial time or better then we could design drugs inside of a computer and that technology would be worth billions!
Seriously, until we are doing drug design with computers, we don't really understand biological systems well enough to simulate them inside a computer. Drugs interact with folded up proteins all the time so this requires simulation of protein folding and this algorithm is exponential time complexity, so basically not computable for anything but extremely trivial problems.
Re: When her best friend died, she rebuilt him using artificial intelligence
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, many people are not good at grieving and healing. I wish there was a way for people to learn how to do that instead of rely on fakes. But not sure what the answer is when they're so emotionally distraught that they default to such lengths. I'm reminded of those who get their old dogs cloned after their original dog dies. It doesn't seem like a good thing for the mind long-term to think an artificial re…
Sorry but this is a little judgemental. Even a photo is 'fake'. This is somewhere between a photo and a cloned copy. I don't think there is reason to believe (yet) that this will lead most people's minds to break from reality. It may be an effective coping mechanism while they slowly adapt to the passing of their loved one.
Not sure what you call fake. Sometimes we just need a place to say something that's important, to feel the connection. Pretending that this never happened was the first thing I did, and that didn't help. Sometimes in order to let go you have to come as close as possible.