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Liquid assets: how the business of bottled water went mad

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Re: Liquid assets: how the business of bottled water went mad

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Well it's just plain unfair to compare German efficiency and thoroughness with... anywhere else in the world.

Zürich is not german.

The culture of Switzerland, particularly Zürich, is more South German than it is North Italian or East French.

Re: Liquid assets: how the business of bottled water went mad

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I'm from Germany and it's almost uncanny with _some_ people. Like in, you get a glass of water (from the tap, where else?) and (some) people act like "What the hell is he doing?! Is he insane? You can't drink that!" n.b. Germany has some of the strictest regulations and accordingly the tap water is of excellent quality - everywhere.

The US army camp in Heidelberg actually had their perfectly fine tap water chlorinated. From a German point of view (chlorine tastes and smells horrible) this is just ridiculous.

The issue is that ozone purification cleans the water at the source, but it's free to pick up contamination in the pipes as it makes its way to the tap; chlorination works right up until the water is drunk. The downside is that chlorinated water does not taste great.

If one has a good pipe system, the ozonated water is fine. If there's any worry, though, chlorinated is safer. I'm not surprised that a military base would choose the safer alternative: no-one ever got fired for ensuring that the water is safe to drink.

Re: Liquid assets: how the business of bottled water went mad

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Try switching to green tea + l-theanine. I went from coke -> coffee -> tea without a problem. The main addiction is to the caffeine.

> The main addiction is to the caffeine. I'm not so sure. I think there is something else about it that makes it habit forming. When dieting I sometimes get into a 10 can a day habit with fairly strong cravings despite a high caffeine intake from coffee. The cravings are not too hard to overcome - a few days of abstinence and they go away. I don't notice health/well-being differences with or without it. The main moti…

For me I think it's the carbonation which makes me wonder how carbonated tea would fare.

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I live in Zürich. The water company here says that it's unfair to compare the tap water with bottled mineral water; the tap water is substantially better. (I had a tour of the plant. They are a serious group of overachievers. The source of the water is mostly the local lake, and is purified by, two grades of sand filter, activated charcoal, ozone purification, and a bacterial bed. They actively manage the biofilms in…

Update: Dammit, I forget to mention the coolest thing about Zürich water! After treatment, the water flows through a glass tank with some daphnia in it (water fleas). These are watched with a video camera and motion analysis done by computer. Apparently, they aren't just able to detect impurities by detecting differences in the way the daphnia move, they are capable of detecting individual compounds because they affe…

Ok, now that's cool.

Re: Liquid assets: how the business of bottled water went mad

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It just gets more and more complex, doesn't it. Now we have to worry about remineralizing RO water. [Tap Water] | V [Water Softener]------------+ | | V V [Reverse Osmosis System] [Showering & Washing] | V [Remineralizer] | V [RO storage tank] | V [Drinking]

Yeah, I always wondered why there isn't simply one line running to the bathrooms + laundry room with softened water, and a separate line which goes through RO for everything else. Putting a RO + tank under the sink but the softener in the garage / basement seems backwards to me; I know nothing about plumbing but it would seem to make more sense to have a small softener under the bathroom sink just for the shower.

From what I've gathered, hard water also lowers the life expectancy of the RO system.. Also you may want softer water for cleaning dishes, since softer water means better lather with less soap, saving your detergent.

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I live in the countryside in Ohio. We have a well and a water softener. But my kitchen sink has a second faucet that goes directly to the well, bypassing the softener - I always drink from that one because it tastes better. I fill up my Nalgene before I leave and only buy bottled water on rare occasions. I used to live in San Mateo, they had pretty good tap water to.

Interesting -- most water softener setups I have seen are only plumbed into the hot water, I've been told that this is because drinking softened water is not recommended.

Hum. This is the first house I've ever owned, and this is the 3rd or 4th thing I've been told wasn't "normal" about it. The previous owner also ran a construction company, and I'm pretty sure he did a lot of work on this house himself, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is another instance of that.

For the most part, though, everything works well enough. So I'm happy overall.

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