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Re: IRC v3

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Post by lorenzhs »

Gruselbauer wrote: post #92
pomfpomfpomf3 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

irccloud keeps going down every time freenode netsplits. It got so bad lately I actually canceled my subscription and instead set up weechat+glowing bear, which is not as polished, but it works fairly well on both desktop and mobile. (And cheaper) It's also free software and easy to set up so I encourage everybody to check it out.

Does it still work if you've got WeeChat customised or does it need to be vanilla? I'd like to keep using it from a shell while on a decent machine, but would absolutely not mind the option to connect from mobile clients.

Dev here. It's completely independent of your config. Indeed many things carry over to Glowing Bear automatically, such as scripts that modify the lines (colorize_nicks.py) or create new text buffers (like highmon or grep.py), filters, triggers, etc.

Re: IRC v3

#102

Post by lorenzhs »

agentdrtran wrote: post #85
DiabloD3 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use ZNC, so logging in from multiple places works well.

But now you have to run a ZNC server as well - it's a lot more work for a very simple feature.

WeeChat + relay clients can do it as well, you only run weechat in a tmux/screen somwhere and connect to it with a relay client (Glowing Bear or WeeChat-Android). Works nicely, with synced state and arbitrary history scrollback

Re: IRC v3

#103

Post by znpy »

I know I'll be dowvoted to oblivion but I'll say it anyway...

You advocate for privacy, You advocate for openness, You advocate for transparency, You advocate for interoperability, You advocate for host-it-yourself, You advocate for customisability, You advocate for scriptability ...

But then all of a sudden "oh no IRC, not enough colours, geez, running a bouncer, who wants to do it?"

-------

I'd design irc-v3 to be bouncer-friendly, and maybe to integrate some bouncer-y features into IRC servers as well (most IRC servers keep logs anyway)

Re: IRC v3

#104

Post by drcross »

I run an XMPP server for myself and a few friend and have had no end to the trouble with it getting OTR or any level of encryption working reliably before friends lose their interest.

Please, someone, just offer us an open source slack clone that runs off on a R-pi and has a walk through wizard to enable the 99% of typical install requirements.

Even as someone who works in the industry, I dont have time to learn the bells and whistles that running a chat server requires.

Re: IRC v3

#105

Post by stryk »

lovesIRC wrote: post #37
prawnsalad wrote: post #20

There's a lot of neat stuff in IRCv3 to bring IRC up to date, but most importantly it is standardising a lot of the existing protocol and patching up some of the existing warts that make pushing IRC difficult - all while being backwards compatible. Developing kiwiirc.com over the past few years to cover many different IRC servers in all different languages and using many different services/auth services has been a re…

I use KiwiIRC each and everyday. It's one of the nicest looking and easiest to setup web frontend for my hybrid-ircd setup. Sadly it's just a small group of friends and an OLD eggdrop bot that runs a crusty old megahal.mod as entertainment. I haven't found anything that runs as well and can create humerous replies since then. Hopefully the old code will continue to compile for awhile. Anyway, I strayed off topic. I t…

Bit off-topic, but Eggdrop was the very first thing I ever compiled from source WAY back in the later 1990's. I figured out how to hack together a (absolutely terrible) TCL script to monitor #fatefiles on EFNet for messages by certain nicks (a few XDCC bots) and echo them to another private channel. It was trash but it worked. One of my earliest experiences that I can remember with any sort of real code. Ahhhh, the good 'ol days.... great times. :-)

Re: IRC v3

#106

Post by kbuck »

znpy wrote: post #103

I know I'll be dowvoted to oblivion but I'll say it anyway... You advocate for privacy, You advocate for openness, You advocate for transparency, You advocate for interoperability, You advocate for host-it-yourself, You advocate for customisability, You advocate for scriptability ... But then all of a sudden "oh no IRC, not enough colours, geez, running a bouncer, who wants to do it?" ------- I'd design irc-v3 to be…

> (most IRC servers keep logs anyway)

IRCd developer and network staff member here. Dead wrong. I don't think I've seen a single IRCd that keeps logs, and doing so would make it much more expensive to run an IRC network. Additionally, it would be a huge violation of privacy, and we value our users' privacy. The IRCd only logs server events (e.g. network-wide bans, server connection/disconnection, use of administrative tools) and user connections/disconnections (for anti-abuse purposes).

If network staff have logs of something, it was either because their IRC client was present in the channel or because someone else gave them logs.

Most of my network's servers hang around 2-3% CPU usage and <5GB disk usage, and we'd like to keep it that way because we don't want it to cost a lot to host. We have an average of 1000-2000 users per server.

Re: IRC v3

#107

Post by FooBarWidget »

forgotpwtomain wrote: post #13

I second a comment made below regarding https://matrix.org/ . I've used IRC for years and still use it almost daily - but come on Mosh + tmux + ec2 just to have permanent chat history? I seriously can't advocate this crap to anyone in 2016. It's too little, too late.

But it fits the Unix philosophy of doing one thing well and small, composable tools!

Re: IRC v3

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Post by wtetzner »

perlgeek wrote: post #46
tarancato wrote: post #23

I don't feel like typing much because it's nap time but IRCv3 is an almost closed group of friends, mostly znc core developers, who have decided they can choose what the future of IRC looks like. They have put lots of pressure on and harassed other developers of clients and networks, sending them patches and infiltrating their devs if necessary, so their ideas are actually implemented. If you complain about those ide…

Sending patches to implement proposed protocol enhancements sounds like a pretty nice thing to do.

That assumes everyone agrees that they really are enhancements.

Re: IRC v3

#110

Post by majewsky »

drcross wrote: post #104

I run an XMPP server for myself and a few friend and have had no end to the trouble with it getting OTR or any level of encryption working reliably before friends lose their interest. Please, someone, just offer us an open source slack clone that runs off on a R-pi and has a walk through wizard to enable the 99% of typical install requirements. Even as someone who works in the industry, I dont have time to learn the…

Which problems did you run into? I use Prosody as the server (which is brain-dead simple to set up) and Conversations as the client on my friends' Android phones. We just add each others as buddies and set "OTR only" with two taps, and these problems are solved forever.

I do agree though that the user experience for my OTR-enabled messengers is shit (especially the "first message not encrypted" problem).

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