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Re: IRC v3

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Post by daenney »

donatj wrote: post #27
tarancato wrote: post #23

I don't feel like typing much because it's nap time but IRCv3 is an almost closed group of friends, mostly znc core developers, who have decided they can choose what the future of IRC looks like. They have put lots of pressure on and harassed other developers of clients and networks, sending them patches and infiltrating their devs if necessary, so their ideas are actually implemented. If you complain about those ide…

I have seen exactly this happening on an IRC library I use for a bot.

Where, when, how? You should provide some evidence to support such a claim or accusation.

Re: IRC v3

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Post by prawnsalad »

paradite wrote: post #29

Looking at homepages of various IRC clients, I feel like I am back to 5 years ago when jQuery UI is still a thing: http://ircv3.net/software/clients.html Equally out-of-date are the screenshots of the clients on the homepages. I don't think I will ever see an IRC desktop or web client that has decent UI according to today's standard. Then again probably I am too young to be their target audience. Edit: Okay there are…

If you're a designer yourself we could do with some design help on the Kiwi IRC project!

It's one of the largest web based IRC clients and currently getting a rewrite at the moment, but we've always had a lack of design input unfortunately.

Re: IRC v3

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Post by Gruselbauer »

forgotpwtomain wrote: post #13

I second a comment made below regarding https://matrix.org/ . I've used IRC for years and still use it almost daily - but come on Mosh + tmux + ec2 just to have permanent chat history? I seriously can't advocate this crap to anyone in 2016. It's too little, too late.

Well, yeah. When I was a teenager my group of friends used to use a QNet IRC chat for communications. Most on mIRC and such clients. Today it's pretty much all nerds. I do enjoy IRC, and pretty much live inside my tmux session, but I don't think I can recommend it to anyone who isn't already probably using it.

Re: IRC v3

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Post by uola »

vesinisa wrote: post #6
JshWright wrote: post #2

I am a long time IRC user (irssi is my 'daily driver'), but I'm pretty sure IRCv3 is called "Slack".

Hooray for centralised, proprietary tools controlled by a single corporation! /s Seriously though, I think this is exactly what is needed for IRC: a facelift. IRC is hugely superior to centralised tools like Slack for obvious reasons. But if people are moving to Slack it's not enough to say they should not do that, but try to actually offer a competitive user experience.

I can't say it's bad to update the IRC protocol, but I don't think it would make much difference either. What people don't realize with "decentralized" services is that they don't have a good ecosystem anymore. The web stack, which favors centralization, ships with usable encryption, user interface, distribution etc. To achieve similar end results with "conventional" stacks you will spend far more effort with far less developers to choose from.

People tend to dismiss web application development for being careless, but at the same time forget that this is what made these clear text fairly rudimentary protocols popular. Until we get encryption built-in, more robust programming languages and figure out distribution on the desktop it's unlikely that the ecosystem will come back.

Re: IRC v3

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Post by op00to »

rwmj wrote: post #4

IRC (current version) works fine for me. The trick is to front it with ZNC or similar software. Anyway, why isn't this being done through the IETF?

For you. What about the millions of nontechnical people that need an open communication platform? We use IRC at my employer, and the complexity of getting a bouncer set up means that for cross time zone teams, most people miss any conversations that don't happen in their business hours. This has huge effects on collaboration.

Re: IRC v3

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Post by lovesIRC »

prawnsalad wrote: post #20

There's a lot of neat stuff in IRCv3 to bring IRC up to date, but most importantly it is standardising a lot of the existing protocol and patching up some of the existing warts that make pushing IRC difficult - all while being backwards compatible. Developing kiwiirc.com over the past few years to cover many different IRC servers in all different languages and using many different services/auth services has been a re…

I use KiwiIRC each and everyday. It's one of the nicest looking and easiest to setup web frontend for my hybrid-ircd setup. Sadly it's just a small group of friends and an OLD eggdrop bot that runs a crusty old megahal.mod as entertainment. I haven't found anything that runs as well and can create humerous replies since then. Hopefully the old code will continue to compile for awhile.

Anyway, I strayed off topic. I too am excited for IRCv3 and the future of IRC. I love the protocol, and despite it's drawbacks it serves my purpose well.

And thank you for all your work on KiwiIRC. I love the project :)

Re: IRC v3

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Post by buovjaga »

rwmj wrote: post #4

IRC (current version) works fine for me. The trick is to front it with ZNC or similar software. Anyway, why isn't this being done through the IETF?

The working group seems to have formed in 2012, first under Atheme. They do want to work with IETF: https://github.com/kaniini/ircv3-harmony https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/issues/132

Re: IRC v3

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Post by paradite »

prawnsalad wrote: post #32
paradite wrote: post #29

Looking at homepages of various IRC clients, I feel like I am back to 5 years ago when jQuery UI is still a thing: http://ircv3.net/software/clients.html Equally out-of-date are the screenshots of the clients on the homepages. I don't think I will ever see an IRC desktop or web client that has decent UI according to today's standard. Then again probably I am too young to be their target audience. Edit: Okay there are…

If you're a designer yourself we could do with some design help on the Kiwi IRC project! It's one of the largest web based IRC clients and currently getting a rewrite at the moment, but we've always had a lack of design input unfortunately.

Nah, I am not good at designing either. "Borrowing" from Slack is probably the way to go since people seem to like that.

Btw, your file upload button at bottom right seems to be not working, it says "Application AisMDMMInTAOji478kuNxz is unavailable." when I click on it.

Re: IRC v3

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Post by Jizzle »

In many ways, the idea of IRC chat has grown significantly beyond the conventional client. From the ubiquity of chat for productivity in applications like HipChat to the hugely successful Twitch.tv platform, IRC has proven to be a viable backbone in these scenarios. It's quite nice then to see a concerted standardization effort. Hopefully, many of the proprietary features we might recognize today will be widespread and freely available in the future.
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