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Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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Ironically, GitHub is a prime example of why centralisation is harmful. If GitHub suddenly disappeared tomorrow (or even just went offline for a few hours), many software build processes in the world would grind to a halt. Sure, because Git is a decentralised protocol eventually it'd all be brought back up again but it'd cause a major disruption and at the very least create enormous costs.

You could easily move tomorrow to another git based service. The only stuff missing would be issue management.

Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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The real issue is that we need to make it illegal to give out free content, unless it's distributed under an open license. Otherwise advertising-supported businesses will always be able to outcompete everyone else via dumping, and these businesses always benefit from being increasingly centralized. That's why we don't have liberal newspapers anymore in the U.S., because ad supported papers put them all out of busines…

Newspapers have always been ad supported. They charged for the paper, yes, but they always depended on ad revenue to survive.

Actually, not so much. There was some but largely limited advertising in the 19th century, but the start date was February of 1860, when The Atlantic accepted its first print ad. The practice exploded in the late 19th and early 20th century, with the rise of the factory process and widespread distribution networks, such that goods could be centrally produced and sold in distant markets.

Alexander Holt discussed this in a 1909 lecture, "Commercialism and Journalism", presented at the University of California and published as a small book. It's available on the Internet Archive, and the first section has a considerable overview of advertising practices and statistics:

https://archive.org/stream/commercialismjou00holtuoft#page/n...

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In olden times the dailies carried only a very little advertising --- a few legal notices, an appeal for the return of a strayed cow, or a house for sale. It is only within the past fifty years that advertising as a means of bringing together the producer and consumer began. And, curiously enough, the men who first began to appreciate the immense selling-power that lay in the printed advertisment were "makers", or "fakirs", of patent medicines. The beginning of modern advertising is in fact synchronous with the beginnings of the patent-medicine business.

The remainder of the essay is mostly a cautionary exploration of the consequences of commercially-financed press.

Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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Switching from Facebook to, say, Diaspora or something is more than just "slightly inconvenient". One of them has all of my friends on it and the other has none. -- Two ideas for how we can help decentralization win. 1. Don't just clone an existing app. The two decentralized protocols with the most adoption by far are Bitcoin and BitTorrent. Both of them have capabilities that no centralized system can match. Same wi…

I'm totally with you on number 2 - but don't those things require money? UX, design, consistent look, all require money. And honestly, the press is a lot more likely to talk about you if you have money invested and shiny offices. To get such things, you have to have a profoundly interesting argument to investors, which usually does not rhyme with "we want to free the people, privacy, etc". There are, of course, excep…

Coding costs money to.

You have to motivate designers etc. in a similar way as you motivate coders to work on the project.

Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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I went to the Decentralised Web conference in June. Fantastic venue, good talks, and lots of interesting people to talk with during the breaks. I blogged about the experience http://blog.markwatson.com/2016/06/action-items-after-attend...

Until recently, I was trying to go 'all in' by favoring GNU Social over centralized social media, almost always running Linux on the laptop, etc.

I have backed off somewhat, realizing that my workflow for writing books and consulting is more efficient using OSX, and sometimes Facebook and G+ are much better at connecting with friends and better for publicizing book updates, etc. than GNU Social.

I am trying to live in a practical 'middle ground' where I can get my work done and still participate in keeping the web open and decentralized.

Two new developments that are promising: a Ruby version of GNU Social that uses the same protocols that looks much more hackable, and TBL's W3C Solid project.

Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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Ironically, GitHub is a prime example of why centralisation is harmful. If GitHub suddenly disappeared tomorrow (or even just went offline for a few hours), many software build processes in the world would grind to a halt. Sure, because Git is a decentralised protocol eventually it'd all be brought back up again but it'd cause a major disruption and at the very least create enormous costs.

Or if GitHub became Sourceforge.

Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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Ironically, GitHub is a prime example of why centralisation is harmful. If GitHub suddenly disappeared tomorrow (or even just went offline for a few hours), many software build processes in the world would grind to a halt. Sure, because Git is a decentralised protocol eventually it'd all be brought back up again but it'd cause a major disruption and at the very least create enormous costs.

You could easily move tomorrow to another git based service. The only stuff missing would be issue management.

And your wiki, and all links leading to your project and all tooling you've built around.

Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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Ironically, GitHub is a prime example of why centralisation is harmful. If GitHub suddenly disappeared tomorrow (or even just went offline for a few hours), many software build processes in the world would grind to a halt. Sure, because Git is a decentralised protocol eventually it'd all be brought back up again but it'd cause a major disruption and at the very least create enormous costs.

I would disagree with that. Github shows a lot of the benefits of centralization, where they get network effects from forks and pull requests when these do not have to cross git server boundaries.

Using external services in your build process has little to do with centralization. People that do not realize that having an external dependency in there is bad, will also not realize that having two or more of them is bad. That does not mean that you are not allowed to sync stuff in from github, but your release should be buildable without internet connection from local data.

Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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Do they even have proofreaders at TechCrunch? They keep repeating paragraphs!

Well, they were similar, but showed variation. Now all we need to do is introduce selection, and the articles can write and evolve themselves!

Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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You could easily move tomorrow to another git based service. The only stuff missing would be issue management.

And your wiki, and all links leading to your project and all tooling you've built around.

No idea about the other things, but the wiki is just an additional git repo that you can check out like any other one.

Re: A decentralized web would give power back to the people online

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Because Techcrunch didn't link to any of the projects they're talking about, here they are: https://ipfs.io/ http://dat-data.com/ https://blockstack.org/ https://www.ethereum.org/

I've been playing a bit with ZeroNet [https://zeronet.io/] lately; it's quite usable despite being a fairly new project.
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