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The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

nautil.us

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Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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So my experience and how it feels for an average to less then average guy in looks(I'm causcasin ..5'10..170.. fit)to be on all these damn apps. Basically we all want something hot and or attractive to us. I feel for women who are less to average in looks have it better then guys. Probably sign into these apps and get bombarded by guys. I definitely date using match and plenty of fish(15 different dates a year) Tinde…

So other people found this coherent?

What is hard to follow in my post?

Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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I'm just going to preface this by saying I'm a fairly physically unattractive man (short, Asian, assymetrical face with no strong jawline). The quality of the women (based on intellect, personality, accomplishments, and appearance) who I've met in real life first before dating have been vastly superior to the women who I managed to find a date with through online dating. Besides the restrictiveness of the online dati…

Being an Asian does not imply unattractiveness. It's one's other properties that determine attractiveness (muscular body, etc). Considering Asian as a property of unattractiveness is racist. Even if you are an Asian yourself.

White-Asian marriages are something like 80% white male/asian female, 20% white female/asian male.

"Asian" is not an indicator of unattractiveness; "male Asian", on average, is.

Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the HN crowd should just make a dating app that doesn't suck? Pretty much all the existing ones have some really bad biases behind them and run on appearance. Message boards and video games still beat them in that department for the more specialized types, which is silly.

Every new dating app that comes out is an attempt to make dating apps not suck. No one has succeeded so far. There are a small number of people with a ton of success who know how to market themselves, and there are a lot of good people who don't have that skill that find themselves shouting into the void.

Which dating apps are these? All the dating apps I've seen come out are either ways to scam people ("no connecting unless you pay with lots of fake profiles") or are just more of the same ("can only connect on superficial criteria. Don't enforce/encourage detailed profiles. Don't kick off men just asking for sex that basically poison the pot as so many women leave disgusted").

Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you make a strict distinction between hooking up and dating, everything starts to make sense. Hooking up stats are rather clear: around 80% of women have sex with around 20% of men. That's why an average looking guy on PoF/CL/Tinder/OkCupid has very little chance compared to real life. This imbalance is actually caused by the guys. Your average guy will throw himself at almost any woman. You join a site, you go…

Parent's comment is entirely correct and shouldn't be downvoted. To learn more, read about hypergamy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy TLDR: All women seek higher status males, inevitably leading to the highest status males reproducing with more females.

The key is that 'higher status', in this context, doesn't mean what it normally means. It took me a long time to figure that out. 'Higher status' means 'building muscle, confidence, ability to speak calmly and confidently, dressing better than average, treating women as humans, not as princesses.'

Being a multimillionaire is not 'higher status' when it comes to meeting women (unless you make it to the hundred-millionaire state')

Being a founder or a corporate exec is not 'higher status' when it comes to meeting women (unless you are C-suite at a fortune-500)

Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your anecdote rings with how there are many people who hold racist tendencies, but exclude their friends of said race from those tendencies. Essentially when they think 'all X' they mean 'all X besides those whom I know'

Is it racist to have physical preferences that conform to "race"? If I were, for example, to like tall men, and therefore have a preference for men of a race which is stereotypically tall, does that make me racist?

What is racism? I was under the impression there is no scientific validity to the concept.

I think this whole idea of race should be put down, euthanised. I like to mock it by comparing people to dog breeds. We don't call the English Pointer and the Miniature Shar Pei different races, but they have distinctly stronger difference than English compared Chinese people.

In an effort to reclaim my preferences I can often be hearding saying things like "I don't mean to sound racists, but could you pass the salt" at the dinner table.

Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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Thanks for posting this, a very thought-provoking article.

This sentence: "He thinks too much choice overwhelms us and makes us unhappy—a phenomenon he calls the paradox of choice" reminded me of this humorous clip: https://youtu.be/UtwKFZHY5o4?t=252

Preparing for downvotes for posting something overtly Christian....

Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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The feeling I am developing is that the success of dating apps correlates with the fact that people spend more and more time working/looking for a job. I am pretty not attractive but while in high-school/university I had multiple partners whom I would meet just in my daily life and I felt it was the same for most of my friends, but when we all started working full time (even doing very different things) everything changed suddenly for most of us. I felt it myself, I had little time to socialize with people because I would spend most of my time in a place where socializing is not only not among the top priorities but is in fact often discouraged (can cause conflict of interests etc). The same thing literally drove some of my friends crazy. After I moved (last year) to a different country for a new job (with a girl that had become my wife by that time) I (we) noticed how difficult it was to simply make new friends. Before, it was really easy to come across so many different kind of people, while now I meet mostly males who did an engineering degree to whom I can't anyway speak much. A very close friend I have of my same age recently told me, during a rather depressing conversation, that I did the best thing by marrying just after having started a professional career with the girl I met in Uni, because trying afterwards is just so much harder. Guys from work who are single just turn to dating apps, or go to courses on seduction etc. I do think a healthy society should try to address this issue, somehow.

Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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The feeling I am developing is that the success of dating apps correlates with the fact that people spend more and more time working/looking for a job. I am pretty not attractive but while in high-school/university I had multiple partners whom I would meet just in my daily life and I felt it was the same for most of my friends, but when we all started working full time (even doing very different things) everything ch…

That it's much harder to date/make new friends once you're done with school is hardly a new phenomenon - it was true when I started working 15 years ago, and it was probably true 30 years ago too.

Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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I'm just going to preface this by saying I'm a fairly physically unattractive man (short, Asian, assymetrical face with no strong jawline). The quality of the women (based on intellect, personality, accomplishments, and appearance) who I've met in real life first before dating have been vastly superior to the women who I managed to find a date with through online dating. Besides the restrictiveness of the online dati…

Understand there is a ratio of 10 men to 1 woman on every dating website.

Any criteria that reduces the number of choices is good for women as it makes their lives easier.

"Well, if I meet someone online he has to be as good as possible right? They are so many men here."

Re: The Problem with Modern Romance Is Too Much Choice

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post #108

The feeling I am developing is that the success of dating apps correlates with the fact that people spend more and more time working/looking for a job. I am pretty not attractive but while in high-school/university I had multiple partners whom I would meet just in my daily life and I felt it was the same for most of my friends, but when we all started working full time (even doing very different things) everything ch…

That it's much harder to date/make new friends once you're done with school is hardly a new phenomenon - it was true when I started working 15 years ago, and it was probably true 30 years ago too.

Well, it is true, of course. But I sometimes think about 2 things: - Somehow, we are working more [1] while not earning significantly more, and we do while progress promised us shorter hours in the past. Hence I guess the phenomenon is just getting worse? - My father (I'm originally from Italy) dropped out from school when he was 16, and many of the parents of my friends had a similar experience. We never have the impression they strongly shared our views on the issue. Like, maybe they also experienced it, but they still reject the idea it is a general problem and simply attribute it to weak, singular case and so on. Not sure.

[1] http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/18/news/economy/bernie-sanders-...

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