Ah, the old "shortage" "issue". More likely, there is no shortage - just a shortage of engineers willing to be paid the low wages most likely on offer at these companies
Low wages? Silicon valley engineers tend to be fairly highly paid...
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If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
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Re: If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
#22The article seems to be mostly about the UK, but from my US perspective, there are just a lot of CS graduates with little to no professional coding experience either out of laziness or lack of knowledge (yes, there are people who expect a job with just a degree). There's also a lot of people who aren't that interested in it or bad at it but still manage to not get weeded out. Add that to the decades-old "CS != progra…
Umm... Of course they're graduating with no professional coding experience. The entire point is they don't have professional experience yet. What the hell do you expect them to do? They have to start somewhere. Do chemical companies refuse to hire newly graduated chemical engineers who don't have professional chemical engineering experience? That doesn't even make sense.
Projects. Internships.
I would never hire a graduate without at least some combination of those. Typically, getting a 'real' internship requires projects anyway so we can just say internship experience.
And yes, good chem E candidates have internship or project experience, in conjunction with decent grades to show they understand the theory.
Re: If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
#23I would like to hear from the point of view of a recent computer science graduate here, who is having trouble finding a job.
I can see how you might want to work at one of the big companies, but they want "5 years of Angular" and okay, you don't have that. Maybe you have only 1 year of Angular and you're the most passionate Angular developer out there, but they won't even talk to you. That happens, I can see that. It is disappointing as a job seeker, but common.
"Developer" is not the only job title that involves writing code. I am not a "Developer" but I write shit loads of code.
Re: If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
#24The article seems to be mostly about the UK, but from my US perspective, there are just a lot of CS graduates with little to no professional coding experience either out of laziness or lack of knowledge (yes, there are people who expect a job with just a degree). There's also a lot of people who aren't that interested in it or bad at it but still manage to not get weeded out. Add that to the decades-old "CS != progra…
> there are just a lot of CS graduates with little to no professional coding experience either out of laziness or lack of knowledge (yes, there are people who expect a job with just a degree)
Why are you expecting fresh college graduates to have professional experience?
Re: If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
#25The article seems to be mostly about the UK, but from my US perspective, there are just a lot of CS graduates with little to no professional coding experience either out of laziness or lack of knowledge (yes, there are people who expect a job with just a degree). There's also a lot of people who aren't that interested in it or bad at it but still manage to not get weeded out. Add that to the decades-old "CS != progra…
Umm... Of course they're graduating with no professional coding experience. The entire point is they don't have professional experience yet. What the hell do you expect them to do? They have to start somewhere. Do chemical companies refuse to hire newly graduated chemical engineers who don't have professional chemical engineering experience? That doesn't even make sense.
Chemical companies would absolutely refuse to hire a newly graduated chemical engineer who gained no practical experience during their time in college. Same deal with CS grads (or really any discipline for that matter).
Re: If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
#26The article seems to be mostly about the UK, but from my US perspective, there are just a lot of CS graduates with little to no professional coding experience either out of laziness or lack of knowledge (yes, there are people who expect a job with just a degree). There's also a lot of people who aren't that interested in it or bad at it but still manage to not get weeded out. Add that to the decades-old "CS != progra…
Umm... Of course they're graduating with no professional coding experience. The entire point is they don't have professional experience yet. What the hell do you expect them to do? They have to start somewhere. Do chemical companies refuse to hire newly graduated chemical engineers who don't have professional chemical engineering experience? That doesn't even make sense.
> What the hell do you expect them to do? They have to start somewhere.
Internships are the best way, but open source and personal projects... anything like that works. In a perfect world companies would train new grads and stuff, and we can fight and ask for that, but for now it pays off to have something to show your skill.
If I hadn't started teaching myself stuff and coding my own projects after class, I'd probably still be unemployed (I went to a college without a good CS-job network).
Re: If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
#27The article seems to be mostly about the UK, but from my US perspective, there are just a lot of CS graduates with little to no professional coding experience either out of laziness or lack of knowledge (yes, there are people who expect a job with just a degree). There's also a lot of people who aren't that interested in it or bad at it but still manage to not get weeded out. Add that to the decades-old "CS != progra…
> from my US perspective, there are just a lot of CS graduates with little to no professional coding experience either out of laziness or lack of knowledge (yes, there are people who expect a job with just a degree) This sounds a lot like "sorry, we won't take you until you've been trained, but we're not willing to train you."
Yes, that's the problem and it doesn't seem like it'll be fixed any time soon.
Re: If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
#28The article seems to be mostly about the UK, but from my US perspective, there are just a lot of CS graduates with little to no professional coding experience either out of laziness or lack of knowledge (yes, there are people who expect a job with just a degree). There's also a lot of people who aren't that interested in it or bad at it but still manage to not get weeded out. Add that to the decades-old "CS != progra…
Umm... Of course they're graduating with no professional coding experience. The entire point is they don't have professional experience yet. What the hell do you expect them to do? They have to start somewhere. Do chemical companies refuse to hire newly graduated chemical engineers who don't have professional chemical engineering experience? That doesn't even make sense.
Don't they have internships in the UK?
Re: If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
#291. Standards to pass university classes are lower than the standards to be worth a salary. 2. Accidentally hiring someone who can't produce is more expensive than passing on a good hire.
i think both of your points really hinge on lacking on-the-job training
>> 'to be worth a salary'
>> 'who can't produce'
Re: If there's a tech skills shortage, why so many computer graduates unemployed?
#30From my experience interviewing CS grads in the UK, I'd say the answer is pretty obvious: 'cos most of them are inexplicably rubbish.
For example I recently interviewed someone with CS degree (sorry, "informatics" according to them) and masters from edinburgh uni who couldn't join 2 tables, write fizzbuzz-type code, etc. I don't know if it is because of group work or some other effect, but credentials even from decent unis seem to be hopeless.