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The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by ekianjo »

ionised wrote: post #57
ekianjo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nazi not punished ? Most of them died in the war. Oh and none of the allies war criminals were punished. You forgot to mention that.

Plenty of Nazi scientists and war criminals were given amnesty in the US after the war in exchange for their knowledge.

> Plenty of Nazi scientists and war criminals were given amnesty in the US

Let me remind you that ALL the Allies war criminals were also basically given amnesty everywhere, just because they were victors.

if you think that's fair, well that's your call.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by ekianjo »

maxxxxx wrote: post #61
ekianjo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nazi not punished ? Most of them died in the war. Oh and none of the allies war criminals were punished. You forgot to mention that.

Plenty of high-ranking Nazis had good careers after the war and were not punished. In Germany and everywhere else. Look at Wernher von Braun, the "father of the moon rocket".

> Plenty of high-ranking Nazis had good careers

My point was that plenty (and the majority) of Nazis were killed during the war. You know, the ones who actually fought on the battleground. If we call the regim Nazi Germany and Hitler had more than 90% popularity, then you should assume that most of the fighters were Nazi as well. Which proves my point.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by berntb »

antocv wrote: post #87
berntb wrote: post #38

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It probably is -- from the viewpoint of those that bombs civilians with barrel bombs. (That said, for all I know the white helmets is a front for ISIS. But either way, the Assad junta and the Russians have an obvious interest in tarring them black.)

> of those that bombs civilians with barrel bombs. Of course, who wouldnt choose to be melted to pieces by an expensive explosive device with advanced guidance and autonomous systems rather than a cheap ones?

You are knowingly dishonest by ignoring the word "civilian".

Here you have my standard reference, quite critical of the US, regarding the laws of war. Please compare the US behavior with the Syrian/Russian Rules Of Engagement.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n04/michael-byers/the-laws-of-war-u...

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by joveian »

olau wrote: post #80
forgotpwtomain wrote: post #65

After Obama got a peace prize, it's really hard to take any of this seriously.

Okay, this whole theme is getting a bit annoying: Only if you expect the peace prize to be awarded in the same way as physics prize. The people awarding the physics prize seem to be waiting until they are absolutely certain the discoveries are important. So correct me if I'm wrong, but it's mostly given to old men for things they've done decades ago, not for outstanding accomplishments in the past year. Unlike the pe…

Obama started executing people remotely right away, not "later". The fact that this doesn't disqualify someone for a peace prize is horrible.

Since people do still pay attention to it for some reason, I'm glad that they used the prize to put more international attention on the Columbian peace process, which at least in the US seems to have barely been mentioned.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by forinti »

jjfigueredou wrote: post #40

I am Colombian. This is a really difficult situation, and this Nobel prize was really unexpected. When the plebiscite results where announced last Sunday, the whole country was astonished, even those who where for the No vote, as polls predicted and overwhelming support for Sí. I was very dissapointed with the result, even ashamed, as it was barely a win for No, but shown mostly an abstention level not seen in two de…

I was in Colombia in 2010 (what a beatiful country and people - I loved it). There were elections and I saw "De la U" posters all over. So I asked a few people what the U stood for. Nobody seemed to know. This is the party that won the presidency.

Did I just happen to ask the wrong people or is political awareness that low in Colombia?

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Post by [deleted] »

simonmd wrote: post #64

This is just another version of the white savior complex. Developed countries support 'peace' processes that make them feel good about themselves, with little regard for the root causes of the conflict to begin with. Apparently they think us colombians are too backwards to deserve first-world justice, so they applaud compromises that they would NEVER accept themselves.

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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by javpaw »

simonmd wrote: post #76
davidpelaez wrote: post #69

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Except they had. First world countries had the worst war on history and they rebuilt their societies making big concessions. Europe and Japan know a lot about accepting had agreements exactly as our peace process suggests. This is a great way of supporting the work a great president truly committed to changing our country because he was born rich and it's extremely obvious that the peace agreement with FARC and possi…

Name ONE developed country that would accept zero jail time and political eligibility for someone convicted of multiple war crimes, with hundreds of years in cumulative prison sentences. That is precisely my point. You are just one of many colombians who can't seem to make the connection between repeatedly helping criminals dodge justice and Colombia's current situation.

What about this in general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_peace_process

And this particular case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_McGuinness

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by javpaw »

forinti wrote: post #95
jjfigueredou wrote: post #40

I am Colombian. This is a really difficult situation, and this Nobel prize was really unexpected. When the plebiscite results where announced last Sunday, the whole country was astonished, even those who where for the No vote, as polls predicted and overwhelming support for Sí. I was very dissapointed with the result, even ashamed, as it was barely a win for No, but shown mostly an abstention level not seen in two de…

I was in Colombia in 2010 (what a beatiful country and people - I loved it). There were elections and I saw "De la U" posters all over. So I asked a few people what the U stood for. Nobody seemed to know. This is the party that won the presidency. Did I just happen to ask the wrong people or is political awareness that low in Colombia?

This was one of the parties that supported former president Uribe back then, so many people think that the "U" is for him. But in fact "De la U" is for "De la Unidad Nacional" (National Unity).

And yes, political awareness in Colombia is low. The abstention for this plebiscite was greater than 60%.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by ghostly_s »

ekianjo wrote: post #91
ionised wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of Nazi scientists and war criminals were given amnesty in the US after the war in exchange for their knowledge.

> Plenty of Nazi scientists and war criminals were given amnesty in the US Let me remind you that ALL the Allies war criminals were also basically given amnesty everywhere, just because they were victors. if you think that's fair, well that's your call.

You're alluding to the atomic bombings? Sorry, honestly not familiar with this argument.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by forinti »

javpaw wrote: post #98
forinti wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was in Colombia in 2010 (what a beatiful country and people - I loved it). There were elections and I saw "De la U" posters all over. So I asked a few people what the U stood for. Nobody seemed to know. This is the party that won the presidency. Did I just happen to ask the wrong people or is political awareness that low in Colombia?

This was one of the parties that supported former president Uribe back then, so many people think that the "U" is for him. But in fact "De la U" is for "De la Unidad Nacional" (National Unity). And yes, political awareness in Colombia is low. The abstention for this plebiscite was greater than 60%.

> The abstention for this plebiscite was greater than 60%.

That surprises me as people weren't at all shy about how much they disliked the FARC.

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