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Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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It certainly appears to be an abuse of one's monopolistic position. Edit: That is not allowing an alternate browser to be the default.

Certainly? How so? I'm also very curious about the monopoly. iOS has an estimated 13% market share.

Apple is the single biggest manufacturer with a 41% share of the US market.

http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Market-Rankings/comScore-Re...

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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A few years ago, France passed a Law to protect small companies such as Nexedi against large companies that try to impose unbalanced contracts. [...] Not allowing the publication in Apple's AppStore of web browsers that are not based on Apple's own Webkit raises in our opinion the same issues as if Carrefour (a company similar to Walmart) was not selling any beans but those based on Carrefour's seeds. This may be legal in other countries but in France, it is most likely not.

This is incredibly weird to me. In France, you can sue to force a major company to sell your product if you don't like their terms? Is this just speculation, or is there actual case law? How is this even tenable?

And it only applies to contracts the aggrieved smaller party views as unbalanced. So you can sue if you don't like the contract offered, but you can't sue if you would accept the terms of their contract but MegaCorp just chooses not to do business with you?

If that's actually the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Carrefour changes their policy from "we only sell Carrefour beans and beans grown from Carrefour seeds" to "we only sell Carrefour beans".

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Certainly? How so? I'm also very curious about the monopoly. iOS has an estimated 13% market share.

Would a duopoly be more accurate for you?

Duopolies aren’t problematic in the eyes of the law.

On that note, neither are monopolies. The problem comes when a monopoly is leveraged to stop other companies from competing.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Apple is not that much dominant like Microsoft or IBM in the past.

In the mobile space? They own the mobile space. Which is why everything is labeled an "iPhone killer." No one labels a new product as an "Android killer." This is still their market to lose.

Sport cars are often compared to Ferrari, but we don't say that Ferrari "owns a car space". iOS falls behind Android in pretty much every market share statistics I've seen.

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It certainly appears to be an abuse of one's monopolistic position. Edit: That is not allowing an alternate browser to be the default.

Certainly? How so? I'm also very curious about the monopoly. iOS has an estimated 13% market share.

Yeah but Safari has pretty much 100% market share among iOS users.

As a web developer, Safari is a huge pain for me. Most of the time I can develop on Firefox and stick to the standards and most of the modern and/or commonly used browsers are fine. But Safari will have issues, and since I don't own any Apple devices and can't run Safari on the devices I've got, it's difficult to figure out which standard Safari isn't paying attention to and develop a workaround.

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It is long shot, in my opinion PR stunt. Cited law 'déséquilibre significatif entre les droits et obligations des parties' means 'significant imbalance between the rights and obligations of the parties' I dont even think it is related (it is not even translated in the post)

The Law that is being used actually gives power to the French Minister of Economy to cancel the provisions that bring 'déséquilibre significatif entre les droits et obligations des parties'. It can be very fast. It has already been used.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Apple is not that much dominant like Microsoft or IBM in the past.

In the mobile space? They own the mobile space. Which is why everything is labeled an "iPhone killer." No one labels a new product as an "Android killer." This is still their market to lose.

They have some of the high end, competing heavily with Samsung's Galaxy S line and the occasional high end phone from other manufacturers. There's a lot of space in even the high-end market that's not owned by Apple, never mind all the lower markets.

Just because tech magazines really like them doesn't mean they actually have most of the market.

If you really want to go look for something to pick on... go look at how US telecoms companies fuck over the market by directly selling phones tied to contracts, making it incredibly difficult for a manufacturer to sell a phone if the telecoms companies don't want to put their weight behind it.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Apple is not that much dominant like Microsoft or IBM in the past.

In the mobile space? They own the mobile space. Which is why everything is labeled an "iPhone killer." No one labels a new product as an "Android killer." This is still their market to lose.

No. They own just "their portion" of the mobile space.

There are more Android phones in the market than iOS. It's very hard to say that iOS is abusing their position of 'power' and negatively influencing the browser market like Microsoft was back when.

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Apple is not that much dominant like Microsoft or IBM in the past.

In the mobile space? They own the mobile space. Which is why everything is labeled an "iPhone killer." No one labels a new product as an "Android killer." This is still their market to lose.

Apple accounts for about 1/8 of smartphone shipments (http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp) and 1/4 of mobile web traffic (http://marketshare.hitslink.com). Based on those numbers, I don't think you can say they own the mobile space. They may be the most influential company in it, but they have real, effective competition

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It certainly appears to be an abuse of one's monopolistic position. Edit: That is not allowing an alternate browser to be the default.

Certainly? How so? I'm also very curious about the monopoly. iOS has an estimated 13% market share.

It really depends how you define the market. If we look countrywide [0] France has ~20% iOS, here in the UK we have ~40%.

But the product my company is selling (in the UK) is currently faced with a OS distribution of ~80% iOS and ~20% Android (some small number of web only clients). Why? We hypothesise that our customers have greater cashflow than the average Brit and as such the iPhone is much more popular choice.

It is also worth noting that this dominance has caused us to drop at least one feature from our product because the iOS devices seemingly have no way of reliably running a process in the background.

[0] http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-v-android-market-sha...

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