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Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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It is long shot, in my opinion PR stunt. Cited law 'déséquilibre significatif entre les droits et obligations des parties' means 'significant imbalance between the rights and obligations of the parties' I dont even think it is related (it is not even translated in the post)

Definitely a PR stunt, but even so, being sued because you are so behind on standards that it's hurting other businesses certainly puts the spotlight on you.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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This will be interesting to watch. Apple has become a dominant player in the mobile industry and being in that role it restricts what they can do now (and could earlier get away with). Bundling related rulings had huge impact in the past on e.g. IBM and Microsoft.

Apple is not that much dominant like Microsoft or IBM in the past.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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nobody stops you from using another ERP, they can't use another browser. They don't own the platform where the ERP runs, apple does.

Nobody is making them support the iPhone.

iPhone and Android ARE the market, not only OSes.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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I think the point is that they don't have to care, as long as they allow other browser engines than Apple's specific Webkit.

Why do they need to do that? Their platform, their rules. You don't want to play by Apple's rules then leave Apple's sandbox. This is absurd. You have no rights and no freedoms while using a vendor's software. They knew the restrictions going in. This is going to die quickly in the courts.

This is in french court not US .European courts in general do not see it that way, Microsoft could not get away the same way with IE and Windows in european courts

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Probably not the best way to renew their interest in web standards

Hard to know. If a court decision forces them to allow other browser (engines) on iOS and people start moving away from Safari Apple may decide that it is in their best interest to make Safari the best web experience if they want to (re)attract those customers. See Microsoft and Edge.

Exactly. Competition drives innovation and progress.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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post #8

It is long shot, in my opinion PR stunt. Cited law 'déséquilibre significatif entre les droits et obligations des parties' means 'significant imbalance between the rights and obligations of the parties' I dont even think it is related (it is not even translated in the post)

It certainly appears to be an abuse of one's monopolistic position.

Edit: That is not allowing an alternate browser to be the default.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that they don't have to care, as long as they allow other browser engines than Apple's specific Webkit.

Why do they need to do that? Their platform, their rules. You don't want to play by Apple's rules then leave Apple's sandbox. This is absurd. You have no rights and no freedoms while using a vendor's software. They knew the restrictions going in. This is going to die quickly in the courts.

Do you feel the same way about Microsoft bundling Internet Explorer and trying to crush all competition in the browser market? Or do you only feel this way because it's Apple's sandbox? At least with Microsoft you _could_ install Netscape. What's your choice here? Buy an Android?

I don't know you; this is a legitimate question. I don't actually know that I have an opinion on the underlying issue (I'm quite libertarian but also hate Safari). That said, I don't see how this is different from other bundling case law.

But IANAL.

Re: Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS

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post #17
post #8

It is long shot, in my opinion PR stunt. Cited law 'déséquilibre significatif entre les droits et obligations des parties' means 'significant imbalance between the rights and obligations of the parties' I dont even think it is related (it is not even translated in the post)

It certainly appears to be an abuse of one's monopolistic position. Edit: That is not allowing an alternate browser to be the default.

Certainly? How so?

I'm also very curious about the monopoly. iOS has an estimated 13% market share.

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