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Top Motivators For Developers (Hint: not money)

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Re: Top Motivators For Developers (Hint: not money)

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The problem isn't anything that the local government did, but what it didn't do. There are a lot of steps that could have been taken to lower the rent and property prices. For example, one measure is disallowing anyone to own property in New York that they don't live in at least 6 months plus 1 day. (The same is true of rent control, since a lot of RC people now live out of the city but keep the apartment because it'…

...disallowing anyone to own property in New York that they don't live in at least 6 months plus 1 day... Near as I can tell, this would drive up the price of rentals quite significantly. Any landlord would need to factor the risk of getting caught being a landlord into your rent. I like your second idea of punishing people who are not part of my tribe. By the way, a more realistic way to lower rent prices would be t…

Near as I can tell, this would drive up the price of rentals quite significantly. Any landlord would need to factor the risk of getting caught being a landlord into your rent.

Fail on my part. I meant to apply this to ownership without renting, with the intention of kicking out the damn speculators.

By the way, a more realistic way to lower rent prices would be to end rent control.

The original rent control regime (where rents couldn't increase with inflation) turned out to be a huge disaster. It left a bunch of well-connected non-productive rich white people with an arrangement better than ownership, at the rest of our expense. The concept of rent control I don't have an issue with, but the original implementation was awful.

I don't mind government interfering with the rental market if all tenants benefit. In a city like New York, government meddling is necessary because the free market fails catastrophically, as we see in these four-digit rents, but I do think the 60+ year-old sweetheart deal that some people have, just because they've been here forever, needs to be ended.

Re: Top Motivators For Developers (Hint: not money)

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I'm 26, living alone in a 3 bedroom apartment, there is no need for a car in Vienna and higher education is free here ;) My burn rate is about 18k a year. When earning 35k Euros per year I managed to save a bit less than 1/3 of my nett salary (taxes + social & medical insurance added up to about 30% (not counting tax refunds I got at the end of the year), which I think is lower than I would have payed in Germany). I'…

I've never needed a car, either, but I suspect things might change with a kid, even when living in the city. Though I'd prefer to stay car free. Time will tell. Higher education is mostly free in Germany, too, but students still need to live somewhere and eat. Savings rate might go down with family, too. As I said, I have lived OK so far, too. I just don't feel it is possible to get very far in terms of financial ind…

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Re: Top Motivators For Developers (Hint: not money)

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I'm 26, living alone in a 3 bedroom apartment, there is no need for a car in Vienna and higher education is free here ;) My burn rate is about 18k a year. When earning 35k Euros per year I managed to save a bit less than 1/3 of my nett salary (taxes + social & medical insurance added up to about 30% (not counting tax refunds I got at the end of the year), which I think is lower than I would have payed in Germany). I'…

I've never needed a car, either, but I suspect things might change with a kid, even when living in the city. Though I'd prefer to stay car free. Time will tell. Higher education is mostly free in Germany, too, but students still need to live somewhere and eat. Savings rate might go down with family, too. As I said, I have lived OK so far, too. I just don't feel it is possible to get very far in terms of financial ind…

If you aren't working (or not earning enough) you'd get 'Familienbeihilfe' [1] as a student (something like 600-700 euros a month) until you're 26 or no longer a student.

That should cover the bulk of your expenses if you live frugally in Vienna (I lived for about 800-900 euros a month as student).

Regarding getting fired - you don't seem to take unemployment benefits into account (~55% of your salary after taxes, probably the same or similar in Germany, state also pays your medical and social insurance in that case).

This should also cover the bulk of your expenses - so the amount you need to save is a lot lower then you think.

I'm not saying working as a programmer is your ticket to wealth and fame, but come on: you'll earn a significantly higher than average salary and you won't be promptly thrown to the wolves if you get fired.

The Germanic countries have fairly extensive social safety nets and at the end I really don't think such a level of worrying (about financial security) is justified (btw you also pay less taxes if you have children).

People earning far less than either of us raise families and buy homes here (and in much poorer countries) just fine.

[1] http://www.help.gv.at/Content.Node/8/Seite.080712.html

Re: Top Motivators For Developers (Hint: not money)

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As a developer, I hate being involved in sweeping generalizations about developers. I'd honestly, like those that I work with to understand and recognize me as an individual with tastes and needs that may or may not be like any other member in any other role in a project.

Doesn't scale. I don't mean that negatively. I believe it's representative of the mindset. As to whether or not your company should be scaling, that's another matter.

Seems to scale pretty well for Google.
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