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Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

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Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

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Post by aRationalMoose »

Razengan wrote: post #59
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish apple gave me a fair choice. I do prefer Google maps but i keep also using stupid apple maps because it keeps coming up.

As pointed out by another comment here [1], Google doesn't give you a "fair choice" in these things (beyond the ability to install competitors' offerings as separate apps) either: > Google's MADA agreement forbids OEMs from making anything but Google Now/Voice Search the default digital assistant on Android devices with Google Play. > Google is telling it's hardware partners for Google Home and Google Cast they're fo…

So, will Samsung no longer develop on Android if they seem to be moving into the AI assistant space themselves...?

Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

#92

Post by aRationalMoose »

Fricken wrote: post #37

The AI platform that wins won't necessarily be the one that provides the most utility. It'll be the one that people bond with emotionally. I'm not talking about you here- I'm talking about teenage girls with self esteem issues, recently landed immigrants working as night janitors, divorcees with drinking problems, and anyone else who needs a friend. It's a technical challenge now, but in a few years making a good AI…

I actually think this is where googles assistant falls flat. "Speaking" with google doens't feel as natural as it does for Alexa, Cortana or even Siri. Part of the humanization i think, is the name. That's been the case for me anyway. Saying "Hey google" feels less natural than saying "Hey Alexa"

Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

#93

Post by Klathmon »

Razengan wrote: post #69
tf2manu994 wrote: post #62

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Yes, but at least on Android you can change your defaults. On iOS, you cannot.

Ah yes, iOS doesn't let you do that, but third-party apps can choose to open stuff in the Chrome/YouTube/etc. apps if they want to.

I'm sorry but thats not good enough.

On Android I can make a new email client, and overnight it can become the default email client for everyone that installs it.

On iOS I would need to convince most large apps to allow me as an option before it would work.

Not being able to do this is basically the last thing keeping me off of iOS at this point.

Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

#94

Post by ovao »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #38
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #16

Unfortunately I think it's pretty obvious why they were acquired, so 99% skeptical of their future. They were probably acquired because: 1. They realized just owning the software platform is very limiting (For example they can't compete with Apple no matter how good they are. Just look at Google maps. Thousand times better than the default Apple maps but will never be #1 map app on iOS because people always choose th…

 won't let another map be the default. It doesn't matter if you have google maps installed, if you click an address apples maps open.

That depends on the application (and website) in which you're tapping the address. In some cases that will be Google Maps, if installed, in others you'll be presented with open-with options, in others still it will be Apple Maps.

Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

#95

Post by Klathmon »

antsar wrote: post #90
wodenokoto wrote: post #89

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In Facebook I can open addresses in Google maps.

Presumably because FB went out of their way to implement that. I wonder if they can detect that G Maps is installed, or if that option is always offered. Either way, I can say that many other apps (eg. Yelp) do not have this option.

IIRC both Google and Facebook have to work together for that to happen.

Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

#96

Post by SysArchitect »

Klathmon wrote: post #93
Razengan wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, iOS doesn't let you do that, but third-party apps can choose to open stuff in the Chrome/YouTube/etc. apps if they want to.

I'm sorry but thats not good enough. On Android I can make a new email client, and overnight it can become the default email client for everyone that installs it. On iOS I would need to convince most large apps to allow me as an option before it would work. Not being able to do this is basically the last thing keeping me off of iOS at this point.

Thank fuck.

Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks.

Next day:

open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: ahhh, NOT AGAIN.

Or have we forgotten how annoying it is that browsers all seem to do that all the damn time.

Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

#97

Post by SysArchitect »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #72
millstone wrote: post #53

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And I ask Google Maps to direct me home and it points me at Home Depot. Frankly both Apple Maps and Google Maps could stand some UI improvements. Google Maps won't shut up, throws up some bizarre progress bar even on mute, has mystery meat navigation, and replaces the map with some giant material design-style empty space when it decides I've "arrived" (even if I haven't). Apple Maps used to make it hard to pan around…

> And I ask Google Maps to direct me home and it points me at Home Depot On iOS? You can tell Google your home/work addresses in settings, I ask for directions/transit home multiple times most weeks and it works. On Android they can figure them out, but on iOS they don't have enough permissions and you'll have to tell them - but when you do this works.

Google could request permission to access my contacts, which would give them access to my contact card, which has that information...

Instead they want me to sign into Google and it wants that info to then be stored on Google's servers.

Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

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Post by Klathmon »

SysArchitect wrote: post #96
Klathmon wrote: post #93

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I'm sorry but thats not good enough. On Android I can make a new email client, and overnight it can become the default email client for everyone that installs it. On iOS I would need to convince most large apps to allow me as an option before it would work. Not being able to do this is basically the last thing keeping me off of iOS at this point.

Thank fuck. Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. Next day: open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: ahhh, NOT AGAIN. Or have we forgotten how annoying it is that browsers all seem to do that all the damn time.

It doesn't need to follow Windows or Android's UX, but it should be allowed.

Something like a settings menu where you can control the default apps for many "intents" (that's the android terminology, not sure what else to call it).

Choose an app for email, sms, "instant messaging", browser, navigation, phone, etc... Don't let individual apps change anything, and if you want don't even let them prompt you to change something. That last part can be enforced by appstore guidelines.

If apple does this, i'd switch overnight. And as someone that is about as far away from the apple ecosystem as you can be, i'd probably end up using many of the apple "things" over time. Let their first party apps stand on their own. I have no qualms with having theirs be the default, and it honestly doesn't even bother me if they aren't un-installable, but let me change my defaults!

Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

#99

Post by oldmanjay »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #16

Unfortunately I think it's pretty obvious why they were acquired, so 99% skeptical of their future. They were probably acquired because: 1. They realized just owning the software platform is very limiting (For example they can't compete with Apple no matter how good they are. Just look at Google maps. Thousand times better than the default Apple maps but will never be #1 map app on iOS because people always choose th…

I hate that this comment turned an article about Samsung into an Apple maps bitchfest. Why do people feel the need to whine about barely related things in these articles? Does no one listen to you outside of here?

Re: Samsung acquires Viv, a next-gen AI assistant built by creators of Apple’s Siri

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Post by pawadu »

SysArchitect wrote: post #96
Klathmon wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but thats not good enough. On Android I can make a new email client, and overnight it can become the default email client for everyone that installs it. On iOS I would need to convince most large apps to allow me as an option before it would work. Not being able to do this is basically the last thing keeping me off of iOS at this point.

Thank fuck. Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. Next day: open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: ahhh, NOT AGAIN. Or have we forgotten how annoying it is that browsers all seem to do that all the damn time.

> Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks.

This is NOT how it works on android and WP

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