EU to Telecoms companies: Try charging Google and we’ll take action
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#2Aah, Neelie Kroes, the person who gave Bill Gates both a honorary doctorate and a €500 million fine. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neelie_Kroes)
Re: EU to Telecoms companies: Try charging Google and we’ll take action
#3Operators remain worried that they will offer no more value than an ISP.
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#4I don't understand the argument the telecoms are trying to make here. On the ISP side, the end user has already paid for the bandwidth. Google, or anyone else they're engaging in data transfer with has also paid some network operator for bandwidth. Said network operators have some sort of peering agreement. Under what theory could it possibly be fair to charge Google at both ends?
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#5AFAIK, in France, dailymotion already pays providers to have the right to exist on the networks (Orange, Free ...). Youtube doesn't... :)
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#6It seems that since last year, a lot of companies are trying to cash in on Googles success. I'm always curious, why is it only Google that they want to charge? Sure, Google has the biggest presence online. But I'm sure other companies are not far behind. Facebook being one of them, especially in terms of bandwidth usage.
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#7I don't understand the argument the telecoms are trying to make here. On the ISP side, the end user has already paid for the bandwidth. Google, or anyone else they're engaging in data transfer with has also paid some network operator for bandwidth. Said network operators have some sort of peering agreement. Under what theory could it possibly be fair to charge Google at both ends?
"We hear you have money, we'd like it."
Re: EU to Telecoms companies: Try charging Google and we’ll take action
#8I don't understand the argument the telecoms are trying to make here. On the ISP side, the end user has already paid for the bandwidth. Google, or anyone else they're engaging in data transfer with has also paid some network operator for bandwidth. Said network operators have some sort of peering agreement. Under what theory could it possibly be fair to charge Google at both ends?
That’s the strange logic of ISPs. They basically don’t want to be reduced to dumb pipes because that’s low margin and not really a very exciting business model.
I guess in their dreams they would charge content providers (“You want to get your content to our customers? Pay!”) and they would also charge customers based on the content they want to see (“You want access to content from this one content provider? Pay!”).
Now you pay only for bits, whether it’s a bit from aunt Annie or YouTube doesn’t really matter. Let’s hope it stays that way.
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#9I don't understand the argument the telecoms are trying to make here. On the ISP side, the end user has already paid for the bandwidth. Google, or anyone else they're engaging in data transfer with has also paid some network operator for bandwidth. Said network operators have some sort of peering agreement. Under what theory could it possibly be fair to charge Google at both ends?
Google, or anyone else they're engaging in data transfer with has also paid some network operator for bandwidth.
Google has no-charge peering agreements with the companies which are complaining. Google's traffic is so vast that a major carrier which doesn't peer with Google would endanger other high-volume peering agreements or (less likely) pay more in transit charges to reach Google.
Tier 1 carriers play this game amongst themselves all the time except Google is different since it's main business isn't being a telecom carrier. In this instance Google is well known and making money out of the web and old incumbents think it's their money. None of the old incumbent telcos want to reach the stage of Cogent (think Ryanair for internet transit) where they are just dumb pipes.
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#10I don't understand the argument the telecoms are trying to make here. On the ISP side, the end user has already paid for the bandwidth. Google, or anyone else they're engaging in data transfer with has also paid some network operator for bandwidth. Said network operators have some sort of peering agreement. Under what theory could it possibly be fair to charge Google at both ends?
The other part I don't understand is how the telecoms think they're actually going to get Google to pay this in the first place. If they tell Google they won't carry the Google traffic over their connections if they don't pay (sounds a bit like blackmail?) I'm sure Google would just say "Ok, see you later!". The telecoms that do that would just end up losing customers because really, who would want a connection that's either: a) filtered in general or b) filtered from Google traffic?