Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by kemayo » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:33 PM UTC

diskrisknbisque wrote: post #129

Apple is choosing to only support a few cryptocurrencies and hasn't given any criteria for their choices. This is all people want, Apple--reasoning! The sting from incidences like these, at least for me, comes mostly from the information scarcity that proceeds them. Unfortunately, it seems, the writing truly was on the wall once Dash had to be removed from Jaxx Wallet. I'm not even a Dash user, but choice in such a n…

Wrong "Dash". This is about the documentation-browser, not the cryptocurrency.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by erikpukinskis » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:35 PM UTC

codazoda wrote: post #122

makecheck wrote: post #109

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No, they still could. The message could say: “We have received X complaints of fraud for your app, "Totally Not a Scam Lite", and it will be removed in 2 days unless you contact us immediately at number >. In addition, if this is found to be true, any sales of your app will be refunded and not credited to your developer account.”.

Sure, they could, but it doesn't make business sense. This scheme might even cause a class action lawsuit from the people who bought it AFTER they knew it was fraud but BEFORE they removed it. Refunds very likely cost money in the form of credit card transaction fees and wages (people doing the refunding as well as CS fielding calls for two days).

First, a class action suit for 48 hours of downloads on an app is not likely.

And certainly when fraud is detected some refunds will occur. So they set the tolerances such that they can pay those refunds with the fees they extract on the other side of the curve.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by zeveb » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:36 PM UTC

eridius wrote: post #70

zeveb wrote: post #60

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I wrote 'a major reason,' not 'the major reason,' for a reason:-) The major reason is that I got into Linux before the Mac I bought in 1996 got too old to use. I've not looked back.

So basically, you haven't bought an Apple product in 20 years for reasons that really have nothing at all to do with this discussion, and that aren't even indicative of anything wrong on Apple's part, merely that you like Linux (although many people seem to think that Apple's laptops are the best laptops to use even for Windows and Linux, so it's surprising to me that you'd consider this a reason to avoid Apple's har…

> So basically, you haven't bought an Apple product in 20 years for reasons that really have nothing at all to do with this discussion

No, Apple's control of the iPhone was perhaps the major reason I never bought one, way back before I had a smart phone (or even a cell phone).

I have several major problems with Apple: I prefer Linux; their software is not free (this is related to the previous item); they control your devices (this is related to the previous item); since they got rid of the old iBooks and iMacs their design language has been boring and, frankly, ugly; I dislike the cult aspects of Apple (having once been a True Believer); I am tired of Apple's high opinion of itself (this is related to the previous item); I think their hardware is over-priced. I could probably think of more.

Now, some of that is just a matter of taste (some people like Jony Ives's rectangles and circles — that's OK), but some of that is indicative of things which are, from my perspective at least, 'wrong on Apple's part,' to use your phrase.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:36 PM UTC

rimantas wrote: post #66

izacus wrote: post #41

The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this: "I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information." They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.

Try contacting Google about anything.

Why do some people always make this kind of "argument "?! Why can't you keep it focused on Apple when it's Apples actions in question?

Saying something about some other company does not in any way justify the questionable actions.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by zeveb » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:37 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #74

zeveb wrote: post #62

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I don't trust Apple to have my best interests at heart. Out of all the people and organisations in the world, only I have my best interests at heart. Thus, only I can be trusted to control, secure and curate my experience.

> I don't trust Apple to have my best interests at heart. Out of all the people and organisations in the world, only I have my best interests at heart. Thus, only I can be trusted to control, secure and curate my experience. Yes, but it's not about individual interests. It's about the aggregate interests of users of a platform, the majority of which are average Joes which would otherwise get every malware possible in…

> Yes, but it's not about individual interests.

On my devices it sure as heck is about my individual interests. I do not like authoritarianism in politics or software.

I hate that a generation is being raised without the freedom to tinker, to own their hardware and to own their data.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by izacus » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:38 PM UTC

giarc wrote: post #81

edoceo wrote: post #43

I make a regulatory compliance software. Apple refused to list my App until I removed functionality at their request. Functionality that is required for compliance. Apple's arrogance in running their store may eventually cause it's decline.

I wouldn't expect Apple to understand compliance for every possible use case. Apple doesn't have to bend their rules to comply with apps that want to comply with local/state/provincial/federal laws, they can just say "We don't support x feature, and therefore you can't distribute through our store."

> I wouldn't expect Apple to understand compliance for every possible use case.

Wait, you're actually saying that the richest business entity on the world can't be expected to employ people that use their brain and do a bit of fact checking on outlying cases?

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by notyourwork » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:39 PM UTC

thedufer wrote: post #123

duncanawoods wrote: post #89

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>> The EU thinks that they can post-facto change the law to effect Irish companies. This is illegal and immoral. You are severely misinformed. Ireland broke rules it agreed to under treaty in order to join the single market that have been enforced for decades, often regarding EU based companies. State aid is defined as giving advantages to one company but not others, thereby distorting competitive markets. Ireland is…

Why is the EU going after Google if Ireland is the one that broke an agreement? Usually we go after the entity that did something wrong.

My guess would be Google has the money, Ireland not as much.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by zeveb » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:39 PM UTC

DominikR wrote: post #59

coldtea wrote: post #34

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From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much.

I don't get why people downvote this comment, it is factually correct. You are not entitled to do whatever you feel is right on the platform of someone else. I don't like giving Apple a cut but I recognise that it is their property and I cannot dictate that Apple has to change their rules to accommodate me.

> You are not entitled to do whatever you feel is right on the platform of someone else.

An iPhone-owner's phone is not Apple's platform: it's its owner's platform. It is not Apple's property once money has been exchanged for the phone.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by izacus » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:39 PM UTC

eridius wrote: post #63

izacus wrote: post #57

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Is draggin an .app file to "Applications" directory such a hard exausting thing to do you'd rather give up the choice of which apps you can use and functionality of said apps (sandbox!)?

Give up? I wish more apps were sandboxed! If an app can function inside the sandbox (and the overwhelming majority of apps have no problem with being sandboxed) then they absolutely should be. It's a major security benefit.

Except that there are whole swaths of tools and applications that cannot be published at all due to limitations of Sandbox, making your computer limited to a whim of someone on the other side of the world.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by copperx » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:40 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #41

The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this: "I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information." They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.

What's enraging is that you pay $100/year for that abusive treatment.