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Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by giarc »

edoceo wrote: post #43

I make a regulatory compliance software. Apple refused to list my App until I removed functionality at their request. Functionality that is required for compliance. Apple's arrogance in running their store may eventually cause it's decline.

I wouldn't expect Apple to understand compliance for every possible use case. Apple doesn't have to bend their rules to comply with apps that want to comply with local/state/provincial/federal laws, they can just say "We don't support x feature, and therefore you can't distribute through our store."

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by notatoad »

DominikR wrote: post #55
mmanfrin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple also forces developers to use their payment system which charges 30% . Yet Android is the problem.

Android also has the similar ToS regarding in app purchase, the only difference is that they do not currently enforce it. For an indie developer it doesn't sound like a big issue, but for big corporations uncertainty in the business model is a big deal. Often large budgets and many jobs depend on it.

Android does not have a ToS regarding in-app purchases, the Play Store does. You are free to distribute your android app outside the play store.

And the play store ToS rules around in-app purchases also don't apply to physical goods, or products or services that can be used outside the app. This means that a companies like netflix or spotify are free to collect payments for their services without giving google a 30% cut, like they have to give apple. This is not an unenforced clause, a grey area, or a cause for uncertainty; the play store terms are very clear.

https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by serge2k »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #50
latj wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going after Google for allowing third party stores. Google's trouble in Europe is about: 1. Not paying taxes 2. Using their dominance in Search to promote their other products and services while obscuring competitors 3. Using their dominance in mobile to promote their search and web browser 4. Not allowing third parties to use the Play Store which is the default and dominate store for android devices. Allow…

Not allowing third party stores in the Store is a security feature because they can install APKs that have not passed through Google's security scanner. Google does not prohibit you from installing third party stores. Also, how are they using their dominance for search and browsers to do something? I can install Firefox on Android, I cannot install Firefox on iOS. I can do "Hey, Cortana" if I install Cortana on my An…

> are forced to do this by their shareholders

No they aren't.

They are using their dominance in search to push chrome on users every chance they get, which has resulted in them dominating the browser space as well. Or do you think Chrome was just good enough to push out IE entirely on merit?

> This is illegal and immoral

Immoral is exploiting tax loopholes for billions of dollars.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by Sk1pp »

Is there a way for us to remark to apple that this is something we want to see? I would gladly email support.

This might be an effective way to handle these as I've seen a bunch of them.

EDIT: I would like to know the source, I have apps on the app store and I wonder if it is a simple as someone putting in a fraudulent claim of fraudulence.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by zwily »

hellofunk wrote: post #71
hellofunk wrote: post #61

I hope we will see an update here or somewhere soon that provides more information on why it was removed.

Just noticed that Dash offers iOS docs. I wonder if Apple has a rule against charging a fee to provide their own documentation?

AFAIK, Dash does not distribute them. It's just a viewer.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by serge2k »

coldtea wrote: post #49
mmanfrin wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes they do. This is why Spotify is more expensive if you subscribe through the app -- because they cannot take payment details through the app for digital goods/services. So any music streaming service that wants to try to compete with Apple music has to pay a tithe to Apple of 30% or miss out on half of America (or make customers jump through hoops). The 'you dont have to use it' comment is moot -- iOS accounts for…

> The 'you dont have to use it' comment is moot -- iOS accounts for millions upon millions of people; you generally need to use it. No, you don't need to use it. You want to use it, and you want to make money using it -- which is a different thing, and this is what Apple charges for: having built a platform/market with millions upon millions of people in it.

Forcing you to adopt horrible customer experiences to get around a 30% tax is pretty nasty.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by pavel_lishin »

edoceo wrote: post #43

I make a regulatory compliance software. Apple refused to list my App until I removed functionality at their request. Functionality that is required for compliance. Apple's arrogance in running their store may eventually cause it's decline.

What functionality did they want removed?

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by duncanawoods »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #50
latj wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going after Google for allowing third party stores. Google's trouble in Europe is about: 1. Not paying taxes 2. Using their dominance in Search to promote their other products and services while obscuring competitors 3. Using their dominance in mobile to promote their search and web browser 4. Not allowing third parties to use the Play Store which is the default and dominate store for android devices. Allow…

Not allowing third party stores in the Store is a security feature because they can install APKs that have not passed through Google's security scanner. Google does not prohibit you from installing third party stores. Also, how are they using their dominance for search and browsers to do something? I can install Firefox on Android, I cannot install Firefox on iOS. I can do "Hey, Cortana" if I install Cortana on my An…

>> The EU thinks that they can post-facto change the law to effect Irish companies. This is illegal and immoral.

You are severely misinformed.

Ireland broke rules it agreed to under treaty in order to join the single market that have been enforced for decades, often regarding EU based companies. State aid is defined as giving advantages to one company but not others, thereby distorting competitive markets. Ireland is required to apply the same tax rules to all companies and not deal under the table to certain favourites. If they want to distort their markets in this way fine, they can, they just need to leave the EU first.

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en....

The US would be wise to adopt similar rules because its one of the sources of political corruption whereby companies buy tax deals from politicians.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by ungzd »

zymhan wrote: post #7
davesque wrote: post #6

Kinda puts it in perspective how weird it is that companies have so much control over how software is distributed and sold these days. This would never have happened a decade ago.

We also weren't using as many walled-garden devices and ecosystems a decade ago. There are certainly a lot of issues with the app store model. But using a service like download.com was also rife with issues.

Download.com was no more than SEO junk site, no one really needed it.
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