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Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#41
The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this:

"I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information."

They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#42
post #15

The OS X platform already has a stupid easy download-and-install process with their .app folders. It's a shame that some users prefer to instead use an alternative distribution method controlled by a centralized party rather than buying software directly from the developer.

No standard update mechanism, no standard uninstall mechanism, and going from "I have this .dmg/.zip file in my downloads folder" to "I'm running this app from my Applications folder and don't have any leftovers in my downloads folder" is several non-obvious steps. .app bundles are great, just not a complete solution.

>No standard update mechanism

Sparkle is the de-facto standard used by almost all apps.

>no standard uninstall mechanism

Deleting the .app file would do that for most apps. The config files might be handy to keep around if you re-install (and are inert anyway), else it's pretty easy to remove those too. It would be nice for the OS to be able to track "all files installed by an app" though in case those are installed by an installer (and thus, are not self-contained in the .app folder).

>and going from "I have this .dmg/.zip file in my downloads folder" to "I'm running this app from my Applications folder and don't have any leftovers in my downloads folder" is several non-obvious steps.

It's a few steps, but its still as obvious as things get in computing. If users can't manage that, how they'd manage USING the app?

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#43
I make a regulatory compliance software. Apple refused to list my App until I removed functionality at their request. Functionality that is required for compliance.

Apple's arrogance in running their store may eventually cause it's decline.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#44
Interesting flagging behavior :)

The #3 item on the front page has (Longest humans can live) had 44 points and was posted more than 1 hour ago. The #4 item (Typora) has 42 points and was posted more than 1 hour ago.

However, this post on the App Store is at #8 even though it has 172 points and was submitted 47 minutes ago.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#45
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple also forces developers to use their payment system which charges 30% . Yet Android is the problem.

From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much.

Yes they do. This is why Spotify is more expensive if you subscribe through the app -- because they cannot take payment details through the app for digital goods/services.

So any music streaming service that wants to try to compete with Apple music has to pay a tithe to Apple of 30% or miss out on half of America (or make customers jump through hoops).

The 'you dont have to use it' comment is moot -- iOS accounts for millions upon millions of people; you generally need to use it.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#46
post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

There's some logic too it.

On one hand you have outright banning competition.

On the other hand you have allowing but discriminating against competition.

You can argue that outright banning isn't as bad as creating a marketplace and then punishing participants that aren't you.

The outright banning is wrong too, but it's a really complex issue that doesn't necessarily have a clear correct path.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#47
post #30
post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

> ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? Because it's not a monopoly, and they can do whatever the damn they like while not one? How is that difficult to parse?

While not a monopoly, there position is large enough that any serious software or service is forced to comply.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#48
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple also forces developers to use their payment system which charges 30% . Yet Android is the problem.

Its called business.

And in the context of this conversation it's also anti-competitive.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#49
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much.

Yes they do. This is why Spotify is more expensive if you subscribe through the app -- because they cannot take payment details through the app for digital goods/services. So any music streaming service that wants to try to compete with Apple music has to pay a tithe to Apple of 30% or miss out on half of America (or make customers jump through hoops). The 'you dont have to use it' comment is moot -- iOS accounts for…

>The 'you dont have to use it' comment is moot -- iOS accounts for millions upon millions of people; you generally need to use it.

No, you don't need to use it. You want to use it, and you want to make money using it -- which is a different thing, and this is what Apple charges for: having built a platform/market with millions upon millions of people in it.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

#50
post #37
post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

No one is going after Google for allowing third party stores. Google's trouble in Europe is about: 1. Not paying taxes 2. Using their dominance in Search to promote their other products and services while obscuring competitors 3. Using their dominance in mobile to promote their search and web browser 4. Not allowing third parties to use the Play Store which is the default and dominate store for android devices. Allow…

Not allowing third party stores in the Store is a security feature because they can install APKs that have not passed through Google's security scanner.

Google does not prohibit you from installing third party stores.

Also, how are they using their dominance for search and browsers to do something? I can install Firefox on Android, I cannot install Firefox on iOS. I can do "Hey, Cortana" if I install Cortana on my Android phone and do Bing searches, but not with iOS. I can install the Bing app and get a launcher widget to perform searches with, just like I can with the Nexus Launcher's integration, but not with iOS. I can change the launcher out entirely, I can't on iOS. I can replace the lockscreen, but not with iOS.

And as for taxes, Google paid the taxes that was required of them by Ireland. The EU thinks that they can post-facto change the law to effect Irish companies. This is illegal and immoral.

This is also what the founders of Google have complained about, that US companies can do this, and are forced to do this by their shareholders. They are being punished by the EU for not following the status quo and being made an example of.

So, explain to me, again, how Apple is the bastion of user freedom? Android is a shit OS, but at least it allows me to run whatever I damned please.

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