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I can see the sunset announcement already.
The most incredible journey...
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Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week
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I feel a bit like a shill because of how much I bring it up, but checkout Google Contributor[0]. It lets you pay a specific amount per month (IIRC from $2 to $15 or so) that you use to "bid" for ads spots just like the advertisers. If you win, then you'll see whatever you choose in place of the ad. Any money left over at the end of the month is refunded. It won't help you in the twitter case, but it does remove a goo…
I signed up for $5 / month, but I also run an adblocker for performance and security reasons. I don't usually use the $5.
Yeah, if you block the ads they will never show, so you won't be paying the site operator for the ad spots.
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#173Interesting that everyone is kinda down on Twitter. Shows how easily it is to be swung by the mood in the media.
Twitter may not be worth $17 billion but it certainly contains a viable business and even a few brilliant ideas waiting to escape and flourish.
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#174This is a sad outcome, but once upon a time Twitter had a choice: be the defacto messaging backbone for the Internet or compete with Facebook and be a destination website/app. They chose the latter and rewrote their TOS to effectively eliminate 3rd party development on their platform. An entire ecosystem of companies, products and tools was destroyed because Twitter couldn't imagine or articulate the value of powerin…
We still need the thing that Twitter ought to have been, a public short messaging service. Who is going to step up? What kind of institution could deliver something like that, while remaining open and accountable? A Wikipedia style foundation? My guess is that it needn't be (too) expensive to run, especially if you hand over responsibility for long term storage of the messages to third parties. My PhD (in progress) i…
Twitter has very limited use. It's good for news/media companies to announce headlines and perhaps for businesses to reach customers with product announcements or recalls.
But in terms of having any sort of meaningful discussion on Twitter or the sharing of anything approaching deep thought or analysis, forget it. To me, there is close to nothing of value that can be added by the ordinary individual except perhaps links to other sites.
Personally, I despise Twitter. I do not use it. Never had an account, and never will. I don't know what the future is for the company and the service, but I can only hope that if they are purchased the acquirer does it purely to remove competition from the market and has a celebratory dumpster fire with the servers. If only I was so lucky. Twitter is part of the ego machine that feeds the narcissists that pervade social media.
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This is exactly the problem that XMPP is designed to solve. You pick an XMPP provider who you trust, and you can get cross-provider traffic through XMPP Federation. One of the largest XMPP providers is Google Talk, which lets you hook right into the standard GChat. The problem is precisely that people keep re-inventing the wheel here. We don't need Facebook Chat and all the other deliberately-incompatible protocols t…
Are XMPP messages published for public viewing? That's the use case of Twitter, not private chat.
XMPP is simply a publisher/subscriber architecture. So you can just have a "global" publisher that any user subscribes to when they get on the service (registered user or not) for public viewing. The protocol isn't limited to just private chat.
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#176always wondered why an open source service hasn't risen up and become partly useful like twitter.
there was talk back in the app.net days with lots of wonder for what developers would do with an open twitter-like system, with open clients, open data etc.
imo it would be quite cool to have an open source content system like twitter that actually maintains a live service, where the git project auto-magic manages the production pipeline to live.
but imagine a fully open system providing tweet streams with little direct corporate involvement.
(who knows how to fund the bandwidth etc)
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How would you monetise the backbone? At least with the website/app they can use advertising.
GPS is out there for anybody to use for free. It's incredibly useful and the value to the economy of having that there as a utility anybody can use is huge. Perhaps Twitter as a utility could be just as valuable. Maybe it doesn't need to be monetized.
Sure, just convince the US military to use Twitter to drop bombs on people.
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This is exactly the problem that XMPP is designed to solve. You pick an XMPP provider who you trust, and you can get cross-provider traffic through XMPP Federation. One of the largest XMPP providers is Google Talk, which lets you hook right into the standard GChat. The problem is precisely that people keep re-inventing the wheel here. We don't need Facebook Chat and all the other deliberately-incompatible protocols t…
Having looked at this in some detail, my feeling is that no federated solution can work. The reason is that the underlying architecture leaks through to the user experience in unacceptable ways. As soon as a user has to understand federation - at all - I believe the proposition is dead to most people. For example Diaspora's 'pods' are, I think, fatally confusing. (I think Zuckerberg realised this, which is why he don…
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> We don't need Facebook Chat and all the other deliberately-incompatible protocols that keep getting built out, we just need people to implement XMPP Which is funny because Facebook Chat also used to be powered by XMPP
I doubt it, they had an XMPP interface, but that doesn't mean they use XMPP in the backend
I'm not sure I fully understand this comment. What does it mean to have an "XMPP backend" but not as the interface? And yes, they did use a full, open source XMPP solution for Facebook chat when it started out called "ejabberd". Ejabberd is a terrific solution if you quickly want to have a scalable, real-time messaging and event solution with low maintenance.
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We still need the thing that Twitter ought to have been, a public short messaging service. Who is going to step up? What kind of institution could deliver something like that, while remaining open and accountable? A Wikipedia style foundation? My guess is that it needn't be (too) expensive to run, especially if you hand over responsibility for long term storage of the messages to third parties. My PhD (in progress) i…
This is exactly the problem that XMPP is designed to solve. You pick an XMPP provider who you trust, and you can get cross-provider traffic through XMPP Federation. One of the largest XMPP providers is Google Talk, which lets you hook right into the standard GChat. The problem is precisely that people keep re-inventing the wheel here. We don't need Facebook Chat and all the other deliberately-incompatible protocols t…
Partially. Part of the XMPP protocol is establishing presence which I don't think is a requirement for Twitter (I wouldn't know, I don't use Twitter). Establishing presence for XMPP usually means a constantly connected client via TCP. The protocol would probably have to be tweaked so that clients don't necessarily have to remain connected to use the service. Might be possible to do this in XMPP but would require some work.