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Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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I've mentioned it before, but I'll repeat it - the length of this article: http://cpedia.com/wiki?q=United+States+of+America should be embarrassing. I mean, really ? (On the other hand, it's the only country which I've so far been able to get CPedia to spit out any sort of article for. Japan? China? Germany? Russia? Brazil? France? It can't seem to see the forest for the trees -- it's got articles on historical leade…

"Mostly harmless"

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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If they had learnt from the Cuil episode, they would have ensured at least the result for "Cuil" or "Obama" made sense. The negative reaction they are getting stems from the amout of noise they made when they launched their search product.

I am almost certain even Steve Blank and Eric Reis would have advised them not to "go to market" so soon

Cpedia and Cuil might be their minimum product, but it is not anywhere near viable. They are a great example why CLOSED Alpha and Beta exist.

Edit: Their feedback section says "Feedback: Cpedia is the first of its kind on the web and we'd love to hear what you think. We promise we'll listen!"

That poem is more applicable to him. Maybe he did not realise his smart 6 year old was talking to him.

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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Sometimes, big companies like the one I work for (Microsoft) or Google or Yahoo get beaten up for having 'obvious' bugs or failures. People say that given the scale of our resources, we should do better and perhaps they're right.

In this case, here's a small startup trying out something new and potentially cool. Sure, it doesn't work well in some (maybe many) cases but atleast they're putting themselves out there. That takes way more guts than what a lot of people have. This probably represents several late nights and weekends feverishly pounding out code and trying to get things to work.

As an engineer, I'm with Cuil.

To quote Roosevelt " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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My first inclination was towards disliking the writer - he comes across as arrogant and dismissive of massive criticism, which seems foolish given his position. If he said something a little more humble, he'd be infinitely more sympathetic. Perhaps something like, "We're trying to do something meaningful, and still working to get it right" would go over well. So my first inclination was dislike. But my second was mor…

As a engineer, I sympathize with him completely. I would react the same if I had worked on a really really tough problem and made an incremental advance, which I thought was a breakthrough, but everybody dished it because they didn't understand it. Not to say what Cuil is doing a great job. But Machine learning and NLP is a tough thing.

But users don't care about technology, they care about getting something useful - and the few times I used it the results were almost laughably bad.

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a engineer, I sympathize with him completely. I would react the same if I had worked on a really really tough problem and made an incremental advance, which I thought was a breakthrough, but everybody dished it because they didn't understand it. Not to say what Cuil is doing a great job. But Machine learning and NLP is a tough thing.

But users don't care about technology, they care about getting something useful - and the few times I used it the results were almost laughably bad.

I think it may be the format the result is presented in. It acts as if it can give the world then gives very little. If they were upfront about the level it is at by making the design more about listing pieces of information rather than trying to assume they all mesh together nicely they may get better reviews.

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But users don't care about technology, they care about getting something useful - and the few times I used it the results were almost laughably bad.

I think it may be the format the result is presented in. It acts as if it can give the world then gives very little. If they were upfront about the level it is at by making the design more about listing pieces of information rather than trying to assume they all mesh together nicely they may get better reviews.

How it's presented is a huge part of why people reacted so negatively. They present the articles as prose, so people expect it to flow like prose. This makes them very sensitive to disorganization.

I think they're deserving of the criticism they've received. Cpedia is an interesting idea, and I assume they've done a lot of really good work we're not grasping. But it's not ready for public consumption yet, and they shouldn't have pretended it was.

They were over-zealous. It happens. What's important is how they move ahead. I'm with wheels on this one. We shouldn't write them off yet.

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