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Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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What's all this sudden love for the cluster-fsck that is Cuil? It and anything it touches is just horrific, Cpedia included.

Sorry to say it, but it's true. It will be a huge waste of money and engineer manhours that would likely be better spent if they were working on web-based clones of minesweeper, with server clusters dedicated to 2-play minesweeper MADNESS.

This, THIS is how idiotic Cuil is.

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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My first inclination was towards disliking the writer - he comes across as arrogant and dismissive of massive criticism, which seems foolish given his position. If he said something a little more humble, he'd be infinitely more sympathetic. Perhaps something like, "We're trying to do something meaningful, and still working to get it right" would go over well. So my first inclination was dislike. But my second was mor…

I wouldn't write Cuil off just yet. What the do have is a functional, if not stellar, web scale search engine and a web scale crawler. They've also probably got enough money to keep the lights on for another 2-3 years (perhaps with some cuts) while they figure out where to steer that. That's why I was somewhat surprised with this play. I don't connect the dots. If they'd spun into say, domain specific searches (a la…

Don't do this Scott. Don't :(

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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"Blas, for those of you not from the West of Ireland, is the polish a hurley gets from the sliothar when used by a player of unusual skill, a patina on the surface of the wood testifying to the depth of talent of the player that had used the stick." I'm from Ireland, have played hurling for about 21 years, this is the first time I have ever heard of this! Cuil finally taught me something, it only took them 2 years! G…

> Blas, for those of you not from the West of Ireland, is the polish a hurley gets from the sliothar when used by a player of unusual skill, a patina on the surface of the wood testifying to the depth of talent of the player that had used the stick. Now, how about explaining this for those poor benighted souls who speak English?

I am Irish too :)

Hurling is a popular native ball sport in Ireland which involves two teams playing against each other with sticks called hurleys and a ball called a sliothar. Think of it as ice hockey without ice / skates and the sliothar instead of a puck. A wee bit of violence and tribalism are also as big part of the game, as in ice hockey...

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

#35

My first inclination was towards disliking the writer - he comes across as arrogant and dismissive of massive criticism, which seems foolish given his position. If he said something a little more humble, he'd be infinitely more sympathetic. Perhaps something like, "We're trying to do something meaningful, and still working to get it right" would go over well. So my first inclination was dislike. But my second was mor…

Tom ends with a poem implying his users should shut up, which is worth citing in it's entirety:

"A wise old owl sat in an oak \ The more he heard, the less he spoke \ The less he spoke, the more he heard \ Why aren’t we all like that wise old bird."

I imagine the working in the consumer web space - "bottom-feeding" - as he put it, is not his ideal career.

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

#36

Worth a read, but if they just conceded that cpedia was an exercise in dadaism, their defense would be a lot more convincing ;)

I looked up cpedia for the first time and though dadaism did occur to me, it's not really fair. After all, it's not actually random.

Every paragraph in the resulting page was somehow related to my keyword. The only problem is that the paragraphs weren't very well connected. ;-) Of course, solving that would be a major AI breakthrough.

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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Article seems well written, and I can forgive the defensiveness given how much bile was spat in their direction. When I saw the cpedia article on here I also thought it was stupid. With the explanation it makes a lot more sense what it's trying to accomplish. A little blurb on each cpedia page with a summary of that explanation would probably do wonders. He's right though, often when I google something, there might b…

You are right that googles' results can be repetitive. But I am not expecting cpedia to be perfect. I am just expecting their solution to be better than the problem. And that's not the case right now.

Yeah, the thing that keeps me from giving it much kudos is that I suspect it really is just sentences from the search results strung together in random order, with some noun phrases turned into section headers. And that's not really particularly innovative, though it's audacious to do it and call the result an encyclopedia article. If there is any attempt at producing coherent structure out of the sentences as they're strung together, it hasn't shone through...

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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post #36

Worth a read, but if they just conceded that cpedia was an exercise in dadaism, their defense would be a lot more convincing ;)

I looked up cpedia for the first time and though dadaism did occur to me, it's not really fair. After all, it's not actually random. Every paragraph in the resulting page was somehow related to my keyword. The only problem is that the paragraphs weren't very well connected. ;-) Of course, solving that would be a major AI breakthrough.

Your example is probably more likely to be an outlier.

I've done several searches, some of the most disappointing were singular searches of pretty much any animal you could think of - returned nothing.

The search for "cow" is particularly bad, returning no entries for what you would expect (a cow), but 3/10 entries returned duplicate entries for cow dung.

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

#39
post #35

My first inclination was towards disliking the writer - he comes across as arrogant and dismissive of massive criticism, which seems foolish given his position. If he said something a little more humble, he'd be infinitely more sympathetic. Perhaps something like, "We're trying to do something meaningful, and still working to get it right" would go over well. So my first inclination was dislike. But my second was mor…

Tom ends with a poem implying his users should shut up, which is worth citing in it's entirety: "A wise old owl sat in an oak \ The more he heard, the less he spoke \ The less he spoke, the more he heard \ Why aren’t we all like that wise old bird." I imagine the working in the consumer web space - "bottom-feeding" - as he put it, is not his ideal career.

I think it's interesting that he took it upon himself to write this unnecessary and unnecessarily long blog post then demonstrated his complete lack of self-awareness by putting this poem at the end.

Re: Cuil responds to critisism of Cpedia

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One has to wonder whether Mahalo primed the pump for reflexive hate of this sort of project. I'm not suggesting that there's actually anything ethically questionable about Cpedia btw, but just that people might subconsciously make the association and work themselves into a rabid frenzy.
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