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Post by davidw »

glenndebacker wrote: post #97
bbarn wrote: post #58

Pardon my ignorance, as it's never been relevant to his work, but where does Pieter live? In the US there's a chance posting that would get the police to your door, sadly.

Here (Belgium) it has been legal for 14 years now. Anybody who suffers (even psychological) has the right to decide between life or death. There are some rules (number of doctors, free will, unbearable suffering, ...) you need to follow. The public support for euthanasia is also overwhelming. The only parties against are mostly the catholic church but their influence is nil as we have a clear separation of church and…

Here (Oregon) was the first place to legalize it. So it's possible in the US too.

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Post by nommm-nommm »

fsloth wrote: post #133
anexprogrammer wrote: post #104

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The only way to win is not to play. I'm past 50. I'm not overly fussed about dying, it's not like it's avoidable. I'm not overly fussed about how either as I'll get what I'm given. Of course I'd prefer a pain-free exit rather than a 2 year painful decline to incoherent as my father had. Unless you go in your sleep I suspect all routes have pain as the final memory. I have no fear of any of it. The only thing actually…

It's pretty obvious to me most people debating how unethical euthanasia is have no exposure to needlessly prolonged suffering or just favor dogmatic cruelty over humane treatment of people. The kind of folks who think mother Theresa was a saint with her horror houses of suffering.

Some of the biggest critics of euthanasia are the disabled.

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Post by powertower »

anexprogrammer wrote: post #104
arkades wrote: post #51

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> hard to fear it more than any other thing that can kill me - a stroke, a car accident, etc. Hm. I wonder your age. Young folk seem to think death impossibly foreign, and fear it / ignore it all equally. Older folk, that have had more first-hand experience with the decline of the flesh in themselves and those they grew up with, have more an appreciation for the difference between an abrupt death in a car accident, a…

The only way to win is not to play. I'm past 50. I'm not overly fussed about dying, it's not like it's avoidable. I'm not overly fussed about how either as I'll get what I'm given. Of course I'd prefer a pain-free exit rather than a 2 year painful decline to incoherent as my father had. Unless you go in your sleep I suspect all routes have pain as the final memory. I have no fear of any of it. The only thing actually…

> Euthanasia, to me, seems to be the least worst option if I should ever find myself facing a drawn out exit.

Another option that most people are not aware of (that I personally consider the best way to die), is to simply fast (i.e., no food but with water) for the 30 or so days.

Thought this might not be an option 100% of the time - given the circumstances of the ailment.

This process allows you to meditate on the self, and to let go in a steady way, instead of ending in an abrupt halt.

It has been known to produce a sense of immense relief and oneness with everything.

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Post by nommm-nommm »

waterpowder wrote: post #219
snuxoll wrote: post #156

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Pets are no less an important member of your family than a spouse, children, parents, etc. We may obtain these companions knowing full well we expect to outlive them many times over, but that doesn't mean the eventual loss impacts us less than losing any other member of our family. Never think your comparison isn't apt because it's "just a pet" :)

Actually yes, a pet is a much less important member of your family than a spouse, children or parent.

That depends... Some family members are not good people... Unfortunately.

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Post by jahnu »

escapologybb wrote: post #115

I have a degenerative spinal condition, 38 years old, no idea if/when the degeneration will reach the point where I need to use a ventilator or when my faculties will dip below a certain point on the [CGS][1]. But when these things start looking more imminent, I hope I have the courage to do what he has just done, I really do. Incredibly brave decision. [1]: http://www.glasgowcomascale.org/ Edited to Add: Added link…

I assumed I'd feel that way too but now I'm not so sure after watching "TransFatty Lives". It's on Netflix if anyone is curious.

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Post by [deleted] »

escapologybb wrote: post #115

I have a degenerative spinal condition, 38 years old, no idea if/when the degeneration will reach the point where I need to use a ventilator or when my faculties will dip below a certain point on the [CGS][1]. But when these things start looking more imminent, I hope I have the courage to do what he has just done, I really do. Incredibly brave decision. [1]: http://www.glasgowcomascale.org/ Edited to Add: Added link…

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Post by happy-go-lucky »

mind_heist wrote: post #214
Lambdanaut wrote: post #105

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I'm just discovering him, and reading through his blog. His writing is just what I needed right now, at this time in my life. Particularly about how to be happy. I think when you've lived such a prolific life, you don't need any last words. His life's work speaks for itself.

> His writing is just what I needed right now, at this time in my life. Particularly about how to be happy. This is the particular blog post in which he talks about 'how to be happy' http://hintjens.com/blog:99

> 8. Revalue your time

> Stop wasting your time on commuting, boring jobs, meetings, TV. Do only things that you feel are worthwhile, with people you like. If this means a cut in income, so be it. Be the person you really want to be. Don't take it all too seriously, we all die.

Thank you.

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Post by gknoy »

duaneb wrote: post #226
scottlegrand2 wrote: post #206

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I wouldn't kick a 500-year lifespan out of my genome, would you?

Yes. Living for 500 years sounds exhausting, pointless, terrible for the environment and my descendants, and a selfish use of resources.

Think of the scientific advancements we might have made had people like Einstein or Fermi or Tesla been able to live another fifty or hundred years, or were still alive.

If we ever manage to find a way off-planet, being able to live for half a millenium (or "forever", or until-I-decide) sounds AMAZING.

It does sound like quite the economic problem, though, and would certainly make earthbound resources more troublesome.

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Post by jprzybyl »

I've never met Pieter, but I have enormous respect for him. His writing is some of the most insightful there is, and it changed my thinking on a lot of things, especially outside of computer science.

He finished his book Confessions of a Necromancer recently. It's well worth a read:

https://www.gitbook.com/book/hintjens/confessions-of-a-necro...

I don't really know what to say anymore. I will always admire him.

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