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Challenges for Artificial Intelligence in Medicine

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Re: Challenges for Artificial Intelligence in Medicine

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(OP here)

We spend a lot of time thinking about how to make AI succeed in medicine. Given that so many efforts, including MYCIN, have been tried and failed before, one of the key questions to answer is "Why now?" In other words, what has changed in the world which will let AI succeed where it has failed before?

I'm curious: is anybody else here applying deep learning, or any other subfield of AI, to healthcare?

If so... do the challenges listed in this post resonate? Do you believe the shifts identified are the right ones to focus on?

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(OP here) We spend a lot of time thinking about how to make AI succeed in medicine. Given that so many efforts, including MYCIN, have been tried and failed before, one of the key questions to answer is "Why now?" In other words, what has changed in the world which will let AI succeed where it has failed before? I'm curious: is anybody else here applying deep learning, or any other subfield of AI, to healthcare? If so…

I think there are some folks at UCSB that are working on modeling the health state of trauma patients' based on incomplete and noisy data. Pretty fascinating stuff. I'm mostly familiar with it from talking to Dr. Bernie Daigle at the University of Memphis.

I'm curious, since you have a background in fraud detection, are there parallels or insights you brought to healthcare from that area? I'm currently working in fraud detection, and I'd like to move to healthcare.

Also, what are your thoughts on operations research for healthcare? That is, not modeling individual health of patients, but instead improving scheduling or other operational aspects of a hospital or clinic.

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(OP here) We spend a lot of time thinking about how to make AI succeed in medicine. Given that so many efforts, including MYCIN, have been tried and failed before, one of the key questions to answer is "Why now?" In other words, what has changed in the world which will let AI succeed where it has failed before? I'm curious: is anybody else here applying deep learning, or any other subfield of AI, to healthcare? If so…

1. Compute $/flop, see "cloud."

2. Tooling. Spark, Tensorflow, etc.

3. Policy. Folks who make decisions in hospitals are finally coming around to this whole "computer" thing. Slowly, to be sure. Eventually those who don't figure it out will be bought by those who do.

Re: Challenges for Artificial Intelligence in Medicine

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(OP here) We spend a lot of time thinking about how to make AI succeed in medicine. Given that so many efforts, including MYCIN, have been tried and failed before, one of the key questions to answer is "Why now?" In other words, what has changed in the world which will let AI succeed where it has failed before? I'm curious: is anybody else here applying deep learning, or any other subfield of AI, to healthcare? If so…

I'm not in this field directly, but I have spent a lot of time interacting with scientists and medical professionals regarding new approaches to the field. I'm a little surprised I didn't see more about resistance to unfamiliar technology from the medical field. The essay touched on this briefly, but I find there to be quite a lot of pushback in medicine against new methods in general.

In some cases, this is a simple problem of embedded traditions, or worse, resistance to something that could put you out of a job. In a lot of ways, though, the resistance to change in medicine is seen as an important safeguard; when you're dealing with people's lives, you hesitate before making any changes in procedure, because we know our current methods work okay. Even if there are others which seem to work much better, we should proceed cautiously. How worried are medical professionals about adopting the more opaque techniques of AI? Can you persuade people to accept a diagnosis from something that can't explain its reasoning? Are you worried about any "bugs" or undiscovered unusual behavior in edge cases?

Re: Challenges for Artificial Intelligence in Medicine

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I work for a company that does machine learning on clinical notes. The challenges the author introduces are real, but he misses the mark on the last point "Only Partially a Problem: Regulation and Fear."

Actually, regulation and fear are the main reasons that machine learning hasn't taken off in clinical medicine. More precisely, the provider's fear of getting sued and the regulations that require a licensed practitioner to "have the final say." There is one more problem as well --> machine learning doesn't solve a problem that providers think they have. It's lesson #1 from The Lean Startup or The Startup Owner's Manual. You may have the best EKG-reading software in the world (I have no doubt computers could surpass providers on this task), but if the providers don't feel they need it, it simply won't be adopted. This is the Watson situation at heart.

Conversely, here are some areas in medicine where machine learning has been adopted:

1. Medical billing code generation: Several companies have systems for reading notes using natural language processing and predicting billing codes using market-basket analysis.

2. Identifying bacterial cultures: Inpatient bacterial cultures are placed in a big incubator and constantly scanned for growth. When growth is suspected, there are emerging algorithms to automatically classify the bacteria. Similar work is being applied to other areas of pathology (see: http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12474)

3. Image-analysis in radiology: There are a few radiology companies that are demonstrating superior results by applying novel algorithms. While not "machine learning" per se, the existence of such algorithms is encouraging for future advancements in radiology, since it's a step beyond just viewing the image. Here's one such company that has gained FDA approval for their blood flow mapping technology: http://www.ischemaview.com/

Re: Challenges for Artificial Intelligence in Medicine

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(OP here) We spend a lot of time thinking about how to make AI succeed in medicine. Given that so many efforts, including MYCIN, have been tried and failed before, one of the key questions to answer is "Why now?" In other words, what has changed in the world which will let AI succeed where it has failed before? I'm curious: is anybody else here applying deep learning, or any other subfield of AI, to healthcare? If so…

Great post.

In addition to the lack of (labeled) data, the deployment and adoption challenges, and the fear around regulation, I would add another challenge: patient data is very complicated and highly heterogeneous: think doctor and nurse notes, machine-generated imaging, all kinds of measurements, patient habits, patient medical histories, etc.

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(OP here) We spend a lot of time thinking about how to make AI succeed in medicine. Given that so many efforts, including MYCIN, have been tried and failed before, one of the key questions to answer is "Why now?" In other words, what has changed in the world which will let AI succeed where it has failed before? I'm curious: is anybody else here applying deep learning, or any other subfield of AI, to healthcare? If so…

I've used deep learning for segmenting brain anatomical scans, and I worked in a lab that used neural networks to detect cancerous tumors.

I suspect the first major hospital-facing implementations of machine learning will be in radiology, e.g.: http://suzukilab.uchicago.edu/, which has been diagnosing cancerous tumors in CT scans with neural networks since before it was cool (one reason you won't see the terms 'deep learning' in the literature since they were originally just 3-layer networks, before the term was even coined). IIRC it outperformed the average radiologist.

I wonder if the label problem could be less difficult for some low-hanging fruit. The CT scan neural network required something like 40k labeled scans from a radiologist, but it could come for free: many yes/no disease detections will eventually be resolved by human labeling anyway by your doctor. If you had access, say, to every CT scan taken, and electronic health records for the patients, your labeling is noisy and biased but at least at massive scale. The problem is (legitimately) restricted access to health records in the US. Maybe some European countries have better data access?

And the implementation problem will eventually disappear. I remember talking with a radiologist years ago, who remarked "some people in my field have no idea it's about to disappear". I'm not so sure there will be no more radiologists, but their role will definitely change. Hospitals would be okay with this, actually, since radiologists are expensive. Eventually radiology scans will probably be like ordering blood tests, where fewer and fewer MD's are required.

Re: Challenges for Artificial Intelligence in Medicine

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(OP here) We spend a lot of time thinking about how to make AI succeed in medicine. Given that so many efforts, including MYCIN, have been tried and failed before, one of the key questions to answer is "Why now?" In other words, what has changed in the world which will let AI succeed where it has failed before? I'm curious: is anybody else here applying deep learning, or any other subfield of AI, to healthcare? If so…

I'd like to apply ML to healthcare, I think it's the holy grail.

However, I feel like you're making it much simpler than it really is. You've got a cadre of PhDs at UCSF, how am I going to compete with your all-star team with all of your wealth of knowledge to release something truly innovative?

Re: Challenges for Artificial Intelligence in Medicine

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I'm working with a few people on ML applications for medical image segmentation, in Finland and south east Asia. I think ML aided diagnosis will be commonplace pretty soon.

Here in the UK, DeepMind has been doing interesting work on retinal and radiology images with NHS.

While I agree that large enough quantities of labeled data and legal access to it can be hard to get, interestingly, there are many more low hanging fruit in medtech space that don't necessarily have anything to do with machine learning.

Take hospital IT software for instance. Doctors literally waste double digit percentage of their time wrestling with really bad legacy software.

Even the really expensive solutions, like Epic Systems, is horrible. I am hopeful that better options will become available and future public health budgets don't get wasted on the kind of systems that exists now

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