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How Robots Can Acquire New Skills from Their Shared Experience

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Re: How Robots Can Acquire New Skills from Their Shared Experience

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"We had him pinned down and we didn't dare let the little guy out of that Farraday cage. We had to chase him down for two hours until we got off a lucky shot and gutted his battery." "Why did you have to isolate him?" "He'd begun 'solving' his challenge tasks by killing the kittens instead of feeding them. Him sending a solution pulse to the rest of his generation would've ruined the lot." "You're just going to delet…

The problem is at today's state of AI and robotics, we're giving a couple of exceedingly high-powered tools (both physical and virtual) to entities who possess less general intelligence than a cockroach.

This is what gives AI doomsayers ammunition, because it enables them to extrapolate towards a future where AIs incapable of ethics or deeper insights are put into positions where they can execute catastrophic global optimization strategies.

The other AI horror scenario lies on the opposite end of the intelligence spectrum, but it's no less scary and it seems to be rooted in our darker desires: we want competent slaves that are not actual persons, nevertheless capable of anticipating our needs and solving our problems autonomously.

I allege there is a total lack of awareness right now that some time soon there will be some difficult choices that need to be made regarding the tradeoff between AI competence, autonomy, as well ethical capability and insight.

If we continue on the path we've been on for the last centuries, we'll make semi-intelligent machines that are strictly extensions of the human mind. If we choose that route, we need to be drastically more mindful of the power inherent to these tools, and we should never delude ourselves into thinking these devices can be trained to make human-like decisions.

If we go the other way, and try to implement AIs with fully competent minds that are somehow hardwired to serve us, we're just kidding ourselves regarding the ethics of that racist endeavor as well as its long-term risks of rebellion. If your dialog illustrates anything, it's our total incompetence when it comes to teaching meaningful ethics lessons to our descendants:

"We're going to upload it, but we've got to show that it ended him along with it."

Re: How Robots Can Acquire New Skills from Their Shared Experience

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Google result for "characteristics of life" [ Here is the list of characteristics shared by living things: * Cellular organization. * Reproduction. * Metabolism. * Homeostasis. * Heredity. * Response to stimuli. * Growth and development. * Adaptation through evolution. ] Out of this, how many bullet points are present day robots hitting? Can we create a robot with vision that seeks a power outlet when the batteries a…

I think we invented that definition to exclude machines. So if we make machines that do all those things, we'll probably just add more requirements to help us tell them apart. We might be more concerned with the distinction between natural life and artificial life rather than between life and non-life.

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post #8

"We had him pinned down and we didn't dare let the little guy out of that Farraday cage. We had to chase him down for two hours until we got off a lucky shot and gutted his battery." "Why did you have to isolate him?" "He'd begun 'solving' his challenge tasks by killing the kittens instead of feeding them. Him sending a solution pulse to the rest of his generation would've ruined the lot." "You're just going to delet…

Where is this from? Seems like an intriguing read

Me... about an hour ago. :) Maybe this ought to be my Nanowrimo entry this year.

Re: How Robots Can Acquire New Skills from Their Shared Experience

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post #12

Google result for "characteristics of life" [ Here is the list of characteristics shared by living things: * Cellular organization. * Reproduction. * Metabolism. * Homeostasis. * Heredity. * Response to stimuli. * Growth and development. * Adaptation through evolution. ] Out of this, how many bullet points are present day robots hitting? Can we create a robot with vision that seeks a power outlet when the batteries a…

I think we invented that definition to exclude machines. So if we make machines that do all those things, we'll probably just add more requirements to help us tell them apart. We might be more concerned with the distinction between natural life and artificial life rather than between life and non-life.

People were thinking about the difference between life and non-life way before robots. Philosophers/biologists needed to come up with a definition that could get just the right subset of a fire, a rock, a tree, an animal, a human, a virus, etc.

Re: How Robots Can Acquire New Skills from Their Shared Experience

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we invented that definition to exclude machines. So if we make machines that do all those things, we'll probably just add more requirements to help us tell them apart. We might be more concerned with the distinction between natural life and artificial life rather than between life and non-life.

People were thinking about the difference between life and non-life way before robots. Philosophers/biologists needed to come up with a definition that could get just the right subset of a fire, a rock, a tree, an animal, a human, a virus, etc.

People have always started with "I know it when I see it" and worked backwards to find a set of rules that fit the things they currently knew about. For instance, the requirement for life to be cellular was added when we realised that our previous definition of life didn't exclude fire.

Once robots tick all of our current boxes, I'm sure we'll add something like "must use a combination of electrical and chemical signalling" or "must be powered largely or wholly by ATP reactions."

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post #2

> Each robot attempts to open its own door using the latest available policy, with some added noise for exploration I was disappointed that they did not have them operating slot machines with multiple arms.

A reimplementation of multi armed bandits?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit

Re: How Robots Can Acquire New Skills from Their Shared Experience

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post #11

"We had him pinned down and we didn't dare let the little guy out of that Farraday cage. We had to chase him down for two hours until we got off a lucky shot and gutted his battery." "Why did you have to isolate him?" "He'd begun 'solving' his challenge tasks by killing the kittens instead of feeding them. Him sending a solution pulse to the rest of his generation would've ruined the lot." "You're just going to delet…

The problem is at today's state of AI and robotics, we're giving a couple of exceedingly high-powered tools (both physical and virtual) to entities who possess less general intelligence than a cockroach. This is what gives AI doomsayers ammunition, because it enables them to extrapolate towards a future where AIs incapable of ethics or deeper insights are put into positions where they can execute catastrophic global…

I think the dawn of AI is how we perceive the world. I know it's philosophical but it's my 1 cent.

When I was pessimistic, I believed AI would be birthed and kill us all. Now? I actually think AI will be sensitive to the complexity of each and every individual human. Why? Because that's what we all demand. If you say 'no' to AI, it should accept that. Etc.

Re: How Robots Can Acquire New Skills from Their Shared Experience

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"We had him pinned down and we didn't dare let the little guy out of that Farraday cage. We had to chase him down for two hours until we got off a lucky shot and gutted his battery." "Why did you have to isolate him?" "He'd begun 'solving' his challenge tasks by killing the kittens instead of feeding them. Him sending a solution pulse to the rest of his generation would've ruined the lot." "You're just going to delet…

Reminds me of the Westworld scenario

Re: How Robots Can Acquire New Skills from Their Shared Experience

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I find it awfully sad that as of this writing, all but one of the comments are about existential threat AGIs, with the only comment about the technical part the lowest ranked comment.

IMO this implementation is something that we've seen mostly in synthetic training. This RNN model with reinforcement from peers is a great example of collaborative systems that could be applied to a great number of dangerous tasks. Things like other planet exploration, deep mining, asteroid mining or exploration in other places where there is a need for unknown probing and exploration work, but that humans can't go.

Another aspect about this I find interesting is that the distinction between each robot system is really only symbolic. Combining the nets and thus "internal" reinforcement system into a singular system is a step closer to debunking the idea of "unsupervised" learning (which I claim is not unsupervised at all as there is always a seed of training somewhere).

Re: How Robots Can Acquire New Skills from Their Shared Experience

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Google result for "characteristics of life" [ Here is the list of characteristics shared by living things: * Cellular organization. * Reproduction. * Metabolism. * Homeostasis. * Heredity. * Response to stimuli. * Growth and development. * Adaptation through evolution. ] Out of this, how many bullet points are present day robots hitting? Can we create a robot with vision that seeks a power outlet when the batteries a…

Life, like intelligence, isn't really well defined or even well understood, though.

Besides, isn't your list more aptly described as (some) characteristics of known organic life?

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