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Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making simple mistakes like being off by a factor of 10 and not looking at something you're uploading to get feedback on to ensure it's complete doesn't bode well for how you would handle an interview process...

I was sadly thinking the same :( - Things happen, but it's the little things that matter sometimes.

> but it's the little thins sometimes.

Apparently so.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#72
Ignore the comments "you're not good". I'm pretty impressed by you're output. If you haven't got code up on github, perhaps consider putting some there. It will help you to finding a job.

As for getting work. You just need any work that you can put on your resume that shows "commercial experience", rather than raw coding ability.

Have you considered Australia? We have a shortage of good coders, and it's not getting better. A lot of the coders that get interviewed are not great at all.

I've worked for one company that hired remotely out of Russia, and another that hired and sponsored foreigners, though you may need a degree to qualify for that, but I'm not certain. You might need that first starter job on your resume to attract attention before doing this, but it can't hurt to try.

Don't aim straight for Google/Facebook. If you're that good, you'll get there anyway, but in the front door right now might be tough until you've had at least one job, but you can always keep knocking until they open.

Also, that one coding job could be simply doing something specific for your family's company.

You could try A/B testing the recruiters. Find some jobs on job sites you might be interested in, but probably not. Contact them about remote work, figure out how they respond. Test out your cover letter. Test out how github code helps, how your portfolio helps. See how they respond to the idea of remote work. A guy I worked with, desperate to find coding work, spammed the local IT companies on linked-in, and found a sponsored job here in Australia.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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I've been bootstrapping my current business for 13 years...and started in business several years before that.

I didn't necessarily want to bootstrap, but no one (outside of my business partner, wife & kids) ever believed in me or supported my efforts in any way...and for good reason, I was a classic underachiever until I was 25 or so.

I personally believe that success has to be your life's mission if you are going to be successful. If you know that success, no matter what (as long as it's legal, moral and ethical), is your mission - you should be able to stay motivated through almost anything. It's worked for me.

Note: Success can mean different things to different people. For me it is making a lot of money while doing what I love to do. That and great kids.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#75
Don't feel bad man. I really wish I had your technical experience. You know the hardest part. You will make money soon. Keep trying (and make something people want). Maybe you should leave your parents house. Some financial pressure might accelerate the process.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#76

First, if you're feeling discouraged by people telling you to "suck it up," just realize that some people don't know or remember what it's like to be in your position. Everyone's doing the best they can in the moment, even if that means telling someone with a broken leg to "walk it off." It also means some people confuse financial support with emotional support & encouragement. Money's merely a strategy for meeting o…

One more thing I forgot:

- Gratitude! Taking time every morning to make a list of 10 things I'm grateful for was REALLY helpful for me, as was learning how to express my gratitude to others in the moment beyond simply saying "thank you" ("Nonviolent Communication" taught me how to do that, too). If there's something I'm learning how to improve in myself that I missed an opportunity to practice, I'd add gratitude for that opportunity to practice to my next list. It helped me view the world as more welcoming & every "negative" interaction became a learning opportunity given to me by someone, whether they intended to or not.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#77

First, if you're feeling discouraged by people telling you to "suck it up," just realize that some people don't know or remember what it's like to be in your position. Everyone's doing the best they can in the moment, even if that means telling someone with a broken leg to "walk it off." It also means some people confuse financial support with emotional support & encouragement. Money's merely a strategy for meeting o…

One more thing I forgot: - Gratitude! Taking time every morning to make a list of 10 things I'm grateful for was REALLY helpful for me, as was learning how to express my gratitude to others in the moment beyond simply saying "thank you" ("Nonviolent Communication" taught me how to do that, too). If there's something I'm learning how to improve in myself that I missed an opportunity to practice, I'd add gratitude for…

Ok...yet another thing popped into my head just now:

- Trying to work with my parents on a project was a HUGE mistake. They didn't know how to respect me or my decisions, even when I was in charge of something. Ultimately, I recognize that trying to get into business with them simply served to strengthen my codependent relationship with them.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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For me the most eye-opening lesson about the business world was the realization that you are not an entrepreneur just because you can build something. You become an entrepreneur when you build something that people are willing to pay for. You may be good at writing software, but are you writing software that solves a problem for anyone? If not, you're going to be hard-pressed to find external validation. You don't sa…

I've come to realize the same thing. Like the author, I've been programming since I was an early teen and that was pretty much all I did for years. I would love to break into the software market but realized that I only think like an engineer and not so much like a business man. I've been mainly interested in the design, implementation, and theory of software rather than thinking of what software that people would an…

"The E-myth" by Michael Gerber is the single most helpful book I've ever read on transitioning your thinking from engineering-focused to business-minded. Specifically, the difference between the Technician, the Manager, and the Entrepreneur. I read it on the recommendation of an ex-Google engineer turned failed-entrepreneur, here on HN. He said that a The E-myth described all the failures he had encountered trying to start-up his own software company after leaving Google. And that he wished he'd read it before he took the leap. Do yourself a favor, and pick it up as soon as possible.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#79
On getting a job: it's not just about coding chops. You should also appear to be not-an-asshole, a good communicator, a positive team player, exhibit a certain kind of humility, yet appear enthusiastic about other people's ideas, etc. My (shallow) first impression based on 4 minutes of reading your writings is that one of the above might be why you're getting rejected.

With entrepreneurship, it's almost entirely not about coding skills. You should find and solve problems people are willing to pay for. Customer development, marketing, sales, and all sorts of other people skills are key.

You're still young. It may seem to you like everybody else is an idiot – I've been there. However, it just might be that you're the one with a lot to learn.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#80
Are your two startups making any money? If not, then you need to focus on one first.

Also, why not work with your dad part of the time? Or at least help him out with the technology in the business. From what I've seen you have the programming and design skills. However, from your post it does seem like you lack the business skill set. You can either learn from him, or by working at a company. You're lucky you have a good resource.

How often are you applying to jobs? You have the skill set and the market is good. It shouldn't be hard to find a job in your situation?

Also, family is the most important thing and your parents don't get any younger :).

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