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How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

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Re: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

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This is pretty much why I don't do front-end. I'm fully capable of it, but I just don't like keeping up with this flavor-of-the-week. It just doesn't feel like programming to me, or at least not the programming I enjoy.

Strangely, I see so many new developers rushing toward the front-end, which seems much more complicated in many ways than just building solid web API services, analyzing data, etc.

Re: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

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post #6

This was actually a didactic piece. While criticizing the current state of affairs, it gives a nice overview of many of the emerging technologies and how they fit together, even if for some tasks it feels retarded to pull such an entangled mess of dependencies. You can then go insane diving into any particular one :)

Yes, but I really don't like the "How it feels to learn Javascript" title. Realistically you wouldn't give such a wide array of options to someone who wants to learn how to accomplish something specific.

Re: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

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post #11

This is pretty much why I don't do front-end. I'm fully capable of it, but I just don't like keeping up with this flavor-of-the-week. It just doesn't feel like programming to me, or at least not the programming I enjoy. Strangely, I see so many new developers rushing toward the front-end, which seems much more complicated in many ways than just building solid web API services, analyzing data, etc.

There is a money issue.

If you do keep up, you'll get amazing job offers.

If you manage to really be on the edge, you can give talks as well, expose yourself as a consultant.

That's much easier in JS than with Ruby, Python or whatever else.

Re: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

#14

Reminds me of "starting Rails today is like starting to watch a soap opera in the 7th season" http://words.steveklabnik.com/rails-has-two-default-stacks Be thankful, at least it's not 2013, the new-js-framework-on-the-front-page-of-HN-every-day era.

I remember when there was a huge fight in Rails to change JS framework.

Seems quaint now.

Re: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

#16
I'm looking into react, and I fix things in legacy code, but that's still mostly jquery, or native js. But backend I just get things done.. I much prefer working on teams where there are 'specialists' who do all the frontend and I just give them an API to feed into it.

Re: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

#17
post #11

This is pretty much why I don't do front-end. I'm fully capable of it, but I just don't like keeping up with this flavor-of-the-week. It just doesn't feel like programming to me, or at least not the programming I enjoy. Strangely, I see so many new developers rushing toward the front-end, which seems much more complicated in many ways than just building solid web API services, analyzing data, etc.

> Strangely, I see so many new developers rushing toward the front-end

"Easiest" area of programming to get a decent job and enter the industry. It's so much easier to find a job in big cities if you know Angular or React. As long as you keep yourself up to date in frameworks and tools you can theoretically stay employed for a long time.

That said, I have heard of plenty of people who had done the above getting burn out or bored after about a decade.

Re: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

#18
Hilarious article, but seriously, can somebody tell me where I should begin learning all of this stuff?

What are the 2 or 3 top-priority things I should get started with, if I have experience with Django/HTML/JQuery, and want to expand into more advanced frontend programming?

Re: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

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post #11

This is pretty much why I don't do front-end. I'm fully capable of it, but I just don't like keeping up with this flavor-of-the-week. It just doesn't feel like programming to me, or at least not the programming I enjoy. Strangely, I see so many new developers rushing toward the front-end, which seems much more complicated in many ways than just building solid web API services, analyzing data, etc.

There is a money issue. If you do keep up, you'll get amazing job offers. If you manage to really be on the edge, you can give talks as well, expose yourself as a consultant. That's much easier in JS than with Ruby, Python or whatever else.

Fair enough. I've hit a sweet spot now in having done Ruby for ~8 years, so I can get away with saying, "having someone else deal with the front end. I just want to talk about data".

The new problems I'm working to learn to solve are with ML, NLP, etc. I'd like to step away from web services completely soon, and just live completely with data.

Re: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016

#20

Reminds me of "starting Rails today is like starting to watch a soap opera in the 7th season" http://words.steveklabnik.com/rails-has-two-default-stacks Be thankful, at least it's not 2013, the new-js-framework-on-the-front-page-of-HN-every-day era.

yeah many old-timer rails folks will say skip rails and use Phoenix instead lol.. for concurrency and all.
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