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Has anyone criticizing it actually tried weChat? I know that there are better ways to do things, and you don't have to accept the "Chinese way" of doing things, but that's mainly politics, and yes there ARE a lot of privacy concerns, but, and there's a big but. Technically speaking, the app is amazing. I recently used it to talk to my girlfriend while she's in China and seriously, it's the best (face to face) communi…

>> Technically speaking, the app is amazing.

This. Also, the app's user interface is super intuitive despite providing so many advanced functionalities (which are very stable and just works). I don't have stats or anything, just my own experience, and also watching others using it.

I personally know people who are in their late 60s, who previously only used mobile phones for making calls (not even texting, let alone web browsing), are happy active WeChat users. My aunt showed me recently her high school classmate group in WeChat and their enthusiastic planning (with text, images, short videos) of the first reunion since they graduated in the early 70s! It will be held in the old home town. Half of the people, including my aunt, are living in other parts of the country currently. She and I watched those videos and read some of the posts for about half an hour. We had a great time talking about the various WeChat features. It was a beautiful experience. I saw a concrete instance of technologies' positive impact on ordinary people's lives.

I am pretty sure their children have tried numerous times to get parents to use some mobile chatting apps in years. But WeChat is the first one I know that has succeeded in the senior demographic, largely due to its amazing UI.

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Has anyone criticizing it actually tried weChat? I know that there are better ways to do things, and you don't have to accept the "Chinese way" of doing things, but that's mainly politics, and yes there ARE a lot of privacy concerns, but, and there's a big but. Technically speaking, the app is amazing. I recently used it to talk to my girlfriend while she's in China and seriously, it's the best (face to face) communi…

I would not be surprised if the great Chinese firewall does DPI and degrades the connections of all those western built technologies you mentioned. China has been accused of protecting its companies from competition under the guise of security/order/regulation especially in the communications space.

I was not talking about using it communicating with China alone, I've used HO and Skype in a variety of countries, communicating with a variety of other countries, they seem to all suck for fluid uninterrupted communication that is basically the only feature I want.

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Disclaimer partly in response to "has anyone criticizing it has actually tried weChat": I use WeChat daily.

WeChat is an amazing App with a lot of features. Using it for payment is convenient. It's video Chat is so much better than Skype in terms of stability etc. (Consider the network condition in China that's certainly a miracle.)

But there is certainly something Orwellian in WeChat. WeChat has built-in browser, which they do some censorship on links people click on. I put in a link from cn.nytimes.com and I got this: http://i.imgur.com/jMGZZSH.png (I clicked this link in China and got that, my friend clicked that link in WeChat while being in U.S. and get through fine. magic) Please note this is not even the usual GFW business, GFW doesn't return something like that at all. The text in the pic says "it was reported by many people", my feeling is that any link from cn.nytimes.com would got that no matter whether people reported or not.

What is more, they do this to Taobao, the major Chinese online business website, held by their competitor Alibaba (they are competitor in the same sense Google, Apple and Facebook are competitors, not because of they are both in the same niche field), namely if you send a link from taobao.com (e.g. https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=531244443418), you end up seeing this: http://imgur.com/e3pHmUe.png where the text says "Please copy this link and paste it in the browser to visit." (On the other hand, WeChat has a "Shopping" entrance to taobao's competitor jd.com right within the App.) [The actual reason is complicated, Taobao blocked UserAgent:WeChat long time ago when WeChat is small, but now it's the other way around.]

Although I won't put it as 1984, I'd say it's more like "Brave New World". With WeChat one can do whatever he/she wants "as long as being a good citizen" (and not using WeChat's competitor's service too much). It could be turned into a 1984-world very easily -- e.g. You may noticed that I'm paranoid enough to cut the ISP information when showing the screenshot, but what if the background image contains information of my WeChat ID? After all it's only 4-5 bytes at most. (To those who think I'm overthinking, this is already happening to Alibaba's internal network to prevent information leak.)

That's why apps like Signal/Telegram always have a small user base in China, no matter how much better WeChat are compared to them.

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post #48

Has anyone criticizing it actually tried weChat? I know that there are better ways to do things, and you don't have to accept the "Chinese way" of doing things, but that's mainly politics, and yes there ARE a lot of privacy concerns, but, and there's a big but. Technically speaking, the app is amazing. I recently used it to talk to my girlfriend while she's in China and seriously, it's the best (face to face) communi…

I use WeChat daily and I left my response in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=12628827

TL;DR: It's more than a privacy concern, censorship is right built in there.

I agree there's a lot to learn from WeChat though.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So don't use it? I'm not sure how your comments reflect on WeChat; it's not like stores are insisting on you paying through the app, or that businesses are forcing you to use WeChat to contact them. It's an added convenience, and it seems people like that.

I generally try to avoid these services, but it's impossible to not use some of them, because of their monopolistic position. I have to use Facebook sometimes because people use it to organise events, concerts and other things which are now inaccessible to me unless I use Facebook. Which is terrible. These services are bad because they are popular and successful and because they try to offer more and more services on…

If tech people dream about a product that real people have no desire to use, is it really the consumers' fault for "liking the wrong things", or is it the inventors' fault for dreaming about a product that doesn't meet people's needs?

Assuming that the rest of the world is wrong because it's moving in a direction you personally disagree with doesn't make you courageous or visionary, it makes you Principal Skinner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZ2PPOLik

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It works for me. It's stable and down-regulates the stream quality really well with a bad connection.

It's horrible and I often have to reboot my computer whilst using it.

Why would you have to reboot your computer if an app is failing? I don't think I've had to do this since running Windows 2000..

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This article is a little weird to me. It seems to read fairly ok, seems pretty pro wechat, which is fine. Then I realized that the article was saying things like:

"HSBC, a bank" "BMW, a german car maker" "Goldman Sachs, an investment bank"

Which got me thinking... who is the audience for this article? Probably not the average Economist reader, who knows who HSBC, BMW and GS are. In fact they know that "GS" means Goldman Sachs in this kind of context.

It's also wildly pro-wechat, in a very boosterism way. For an editorial this would be fine, but this is pushed as news. It also cites businesses, not people, as various 'proof' points, and inconsistently uses informal and formal language in the same sentence. Most investment banks don't "reckon" about the rise of multibillion dollar firms.

As an introduction to nonfiction writing, I feel like this piece would struggle to get a C-, if not a F.

I have always understood the Economist to be a newspaper held to a different standard (self-imposed even). But this kind of stuff suggests that perhaps they are trying to infringe upon Forbes' territory.

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Skype doesn't work in the west (I live 5 months per year in Spain and the rest I work in UK/NL/China/HK/Aus; it is no different in other places hence I like wechat which works well everywhere) either on bad connections; it won't connect or will be very slow/unreliable at sending even small pieces of text, let alone images.

It works for me. It's stable and down-regulates the stream quality really well with a bad connection.

The fact you can still talk means you have a far far better connection than I am trying to describe here.

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Has anyone criticizing it actually tried weChat? I know that there are better ways to do things, and you don't have to accept the "Chinese way" of doing things, but that's mainly politics, and yes there ARE a lot of privacy concerns, but, and there's a big but. Technically speaking, the app is amazing. I recently used it to talk to my girlfriend while she's in China and seriously, it's the best (face to face) communi…

I have in fact used WeChat (particularly when I was in China) and my opinion is that it's still incredibly mediocre. In just a few weeks of using it, I ran into numerous bugs and inconsistencies—not to mention the fact that it's a giant walled garden with zero privacy. Unfortunately, it is essential in China (primarily because alternatives are throttled/banned). I definitely would never use it anywhere else though if…

Can you elaborate on the bugs you found during the weeks? I have used it years and have yet found any bug.

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So don't use it? I'm not sure how your comments reflect on WeChat; it's not like stores are insisting on you paying through the app, or that businesses are forcing you to use WeChat to contact them. It's an added convenience, and it seems people like that.

You can't use Didi's black car (Uber-like) service without wechat/wepay.

You can pay in cash for Didi.
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