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When world leaders thought you shouldn't need passports or visas

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Re: When world leaders thought you shouldn't need passports or visas

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No to a time where people are murdered simply because of their race. Politicians running for office with 30-40% of the popular vote are calling for nuking countries with no concern for collateral damage... what would you call that?

Your idea of 1914 involves a lot more nukes than mine does.

> Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me a good term for the people like the ones that murdered most of my grandmother's family because of their race.

This is what you said.

Nukes are just a convenient way to eliminate an entire race these days. If you don't think right wingers calling for the middle east to be nuked is in any way related we're probably done here.

Re: When world leaders thought you shouldn't need passports or visas

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> Well, since you started the incivility: you're a complete and utter dingbat. Not every issue is about race. This issue isn't about race. If you think you can have a discussion about immigration in 2016 using a "sensible, law-abiding Englishman in 1914" as your "look at what we've lost"... I just don't know what to tell you. The lack of you getting why there's a huge racial component to posting something like that..…

I think that you're literally insane. There's no point trying to reason with an irrational man, and so … I'm done.

Don't let your bad opinions hit you on the way out.

Re: When world leaders thought you shouldn't need passports or visas

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Your idea of 1914 involves a lot more nukes than mine does.

> Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me a good term for the people like the ones that murdered most of my grandmother's family because of their race. This is what you said. Nukes are just a convenient way to eliminate an entire race these days. If you don't think right wingers calling for the middle east to be nuked is in any way related we're probably done here.

Pity. I'm morbidly curious to see what other silly things you're willing to say.

Re: When world leaders thought you shouldn't need passports or visas

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> Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me a good term for the people like the ones that murdered most of my grandmother's family because of their race. This is what you said. Nukes are just a convenient way to eliminate an entire race these days. If you don't think right wingers calling for the middle east to be nuked is in any way related we're probably done here.

Pity. I'm morbidly curious to see what other silly things you're willing to say.

It'd probably feel less silly if you were able to appreciate the context of posts.

Re: When world leaders thought you shouldn't need passports or visas

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Pity. I'm morbidly curious to see what other silly things you're willing to say.

It'd probably feel less silly if you were able to appreciate the context of posts.

You literally went from "I wish that passports and police interaction were at lower levels, like they used to be" to "I want to nuke the middle east!"

There is no context where that can be taken seriously.

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It'd probably feel less silly if you were able to appreciate the context of posts.

You literally went from "I wish that passports and police interaction were at lower levels, like they used to be" to "I want to nuke the middle east!" There is no context where that can be taken seriously.

You're the one who asked me what you should call the people that murdered your grandmother because of her race since I'm using the term "racist" too loosely for your taste.

I'm saying, call them racists just like the people today that would gladly return to a time where people get killed just because of their race, as evident by their espoused politics.

Re: When world leaders thought you shouldn't need passports or visas

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You literally went from "I wish that passports and police interaction were at lower levels, like they used to be" to "I want to nuke the middle east!" There is no context where that can be taken seriously.

You're the one who asked me what you should call the people that murdered your grandmother because of her race since I'm using the term "racist" too loosely for your taste. I'm saying, call them racists just like the people today that would gladly return to a time where people get killed just because of their race, as evident by their espoused politics.

I might as well call them "people", in that case. The term racist has no real impact if it's used as loosely as you're using it.

Re: When world leaders thought you shouldn't need passports or visas

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You're the one who asked me what you should call the people that murdered your grandmother because of her race since I'm using the term "racist" too loosely for your taste. I'm saying, call them racists just like the people today that would gladly return to a time where people get killed just because of their race, as evident by their espoused politics.

I might as well call them "people", in that case. The term racist has no real impact if it's used as loosely as you're using it.

Oh I disagree the word racist evokes a pretty emotional response regardless of how many times you use it. 2016 and all that. Just look at how much effort you're putting in to trying to prove what a "real racist" is?

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I might as well call them "people", in that case. The term racist has no real impact if it's used as loosely as you're using it.

Oh I disagree the word racist evokes a pretty emotional response regardless of how many times you use it. 2016 and all that. Just look at how much effort you're putting in to trying to prove what a "real racist" is?

You're right, I should accept that the meaning is diluted enough that good childhood memories makes me racist. It's 2016 and all.

Re: When world leaders thought you shouldn't need passports or visas

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> I suspect if Europe imported more peaceful immigrants, or even had a credible plan to handle this issue, the sudden influx would be less of a problem. Well, that's the problem, isn't it? If the immigrants are all "some Indian or Russian working at a bank, doing yoga after work and then going home" then we're fine, but unrestricted immigration would mean accepting the violent criminals, or racists, or foreign agents…

You seem to be suggesting that it's perfectly fine to have tremendous inequality (compare Dharavi to Baltimore) as long as it enables long term business investments. Is there any reason why that argument doesn't apply to inequality within a country as well? In particular, what about inequality caused by within country trade barriers?

> You seem to be suggesting that it's perfectly fine to have tremendous inequality (compare Dharavi to Baltimore) as long as it enables long term business investments.

Having some amount of inequality is the only way it's possible to have long term business investments -- or any investments at all. Because we need doctors, engineers and businessmen but also miners, truck drivers and janitors. These professions will never have equal status, and it will always take more resources to train an engineer than a janitor, but it isn't "fair" that one person gets to be the engineer while another has to be the janitor. Yet that unfairness is inherently necessary if we want to have engineers.

> In particular, what about inequality caused by within country trade barriers?

The goal is to have a moderate amount of competition. Too much and everyone is making subsistence wages and no one can afford to go to college (and your government has no tax revenue to subsidize it). Too little and the inequality becomes unnecessarily excessive (which is, among other things, inefficient).

Notice that there are two different kinds of competition here. Between employees we have quite enough already, because employees largely aren't organized. But competition between business entities is currently on the low side. Compare e.g. the market share of Facebook in the market for social media with the market share of an individual Facebook employee in the market for software developers.

So the questions have different answers. The sweet spot for employees seems to be no restrictions within the US/EU but restrictions between countries. For business entities even the trade barriers between countries seem to restrict competition too much. (Or at least, a lack of trade barriers doesn't inherently lead to ruinous competition there, because there are other factors inhibiting competition between businesses.)

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