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Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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Re: Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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I am involved with the Icelandic Pirate Party. I'm a substitute member of the board of Pirates in Reykjavík and a district representative in a new institution of the party, the Information Board, it's role being the production of information for general consumption. Ask Me Anything.

If you had to explain that your party stands for in a simple comment, what would you say it is?

Re: Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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I am involved with the Icelandic Pirate Party. I'm a substitute member of the board of Pirates in Reykjavík and a district representative in a new institution of the party, the Information Board, it's role being the production of information for general consumption. Ask Me Anything.

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Re: Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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Very interesting story of alternative politics, I like many of the Pirate party positions, but as wonderful as Iceland may be, it's not exactly the center of political change in the world. Bravo to them, but let's see this same movement on the European continent.

Germany already had its Pirate Party story and it was a total disaster. 4 years ago they entered a few local parliaments with over 8% of the votes, but in the end the party destroyed itself from the inside. Turns out that if a bunch of nerds form a political party without establishing a good communication structure the whole party ends up looking like a Usenet flamewar. In the last local election in Berlin the Pirate…

You make a really great point. What frustrates me about politics is the focus on how you present something more so than what you stand for. I agree entirely about the train wreck in Germany. They go hand in hand to some extent but at the end of the day what you stand for is what you believe in and that is what we should be supporting.

Re: Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany already had its Pirate Party story and it was a total disaster. 4 years ago they entered a few local parliaments with over 8% of the votes, but in the end the party destroyed itself from the inside. Turns out that if a bunch of nerds form a political party without establishing a good communication structure the whole party ends up looking like a Usenet flamewar. In the last local election in Berlin the Pirate…

I imagine a group of people whose base commonality is "we want other people's stuff for free" will find that they jumped into something of a moral tarpit on many levels.

There is a difference between "wanting other people's stuff for free" and believing that the length of copyright (life of author plus 120 years), the penalties for stealing content (5 years felony conviction plus $250,000 fine for each movie downloaded), and the techniques content owners use to get violators (mass sending of dubious lawsuits based on IP address then immediately offer to settle, similar to extortion) has made people angry at IP laws.

Re: Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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I'm particularly curious about the Edward Snowden angle to this - if the pirate party were elected and if he was granted asylum in Iceland would he take it, or would he try to stick it out in Russia until things cool down back home?

I don't think Edward Snowden will ever be granted asylum in Iceland.

Granting asylum to Snowden without the US' blessing has massive political consequences. If you look at the close ties Iceland has to the US I think it is obvious that this is not going to happen:

- The US are an important market for Icelandic goods, import sanctions will decimate the economy.

- Iceland and the US have trade agreements, which would most likely be rescinded, resulting in higher prices of goods in Iceland.

- Iceland is a party to extradition treaties.

- There is an US airbase in Iceland (although it is mostly just one hanger used for reconnaissance).

The only chance Snowden has to live in Iceland is if his status is downgraded to some kind of "person non grata" (i.e. he is free but will never be able to enter the US).

Re: Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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I am involved with the Icelandic Pirate Party. I'm a substitute member of the board of Pirates in Reykjavík and a district representative in a new institution of the party, the Information Board, it's role being the production of information for general consumption. Ask Me Anything.

How are you related to other countries' Pirate Parties?

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post #11

I am involved with the Icelandic Pirate Party. I'm a substitute member of the board of Pirates in Reykjavík and a district representative in a new institution of the party, the Information Board, it's role being the production of information for general consumption. Ask Me Anything.

If you had to explain that your party stands for in a simple comment, what would you say it is?

We just recently had this discussion since we are gearing up for the elections. We agreed that besides the basic principles we hold, these 5 points should be emphasized during the run-up to the election: 1. Our constitution needs an upgrade. 2. More equitable distribution of our common property (thinking mostly that revenue from the fishing industry gets taxed properly). 3. Health care should be free. 4. The public should have a say in the legislation process. 5. Reclaim trust and fight corruption.

Re: Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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post #16

I am involved with the Icelandic Pirate Party. I'm a substitute member of the board of Pirates in Reykjavík and a district representative in a new institution of the party, the Information Board, it's role being the production of information for general consumption. Ask Me Anything.

How are you related to other countries' Pirate Parties?

Loosely affiliated. We are a member of PPEU but have resigned from PPI.

Re: Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine a group of people whose base commonality is "we want other people's stuff for free" will find that they jumped into something of a moral tarpit on many levels.

There is a difference between "wanting other people's stuff for free" and believing that the length of copyright (life of author plus 120 years), the penalties for stealing content (5 years felony conviction plus $250,000 fine for each movie downloaded), and the techniques content owners use to get violators (mass sending of dubious lawsuits based on IP address then immediately offer to settle, similar to extortion)…

>the penalties for stealing content (5 years felony conviction plus $250,000 fine for each movie downloaded

So where exactly do you face such penalties for downloading content?

Re: Iceland's Pirates head for power on wave of public anger

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I am involved with the Icelandic Pirate Party. I'm a substitute member of the board of Pirates in Reykjavík and a district representative in a new institution of the party, the Information Board, it's role being the production of information for general consumption. Ask Me Anything.

There's a factual error in the article. Birgitta Jónsdóttir is an influential member and won the primary for the capital region (3 districts ran a collaborative primary). She is not a leader of the movement. We aim for as flat a structure as possible. The grassroots are in theory more powerful than our elected representatives. If we are in the position of leading a coalition for government we will see a true test of that principle.
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