Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't know about this. They should have gone with AMD.
If you want to get away from that kind of thing, right now I think you're options are POWER8: https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php AMD has something similar to the Intel Management Engine: https://libreboot.org/faq/#amd
ORWL – The first open source, physically secure computer
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
They explicitly address several attacks here: https://www.crowdsupply.com/design-shift/orwl#specific-attac...
None of those are evil maid attacks.
Re: ORWL – The first open source, physically secure computer
#84Where does the name come from? When pronouncing it I can't help but notice it's very close to "Orwell"
Re: ORWL – The first open source, physically secure computer
#85How do they deal with the intel management engine in all intel chips? https://libreboot.org/faq/
Didn't know about this. They should have gone with AMD.
Re: ORWL – The first open source, physically secure computer
#86It seems like a lot of the security of the device depends on active scanning (e.g. the LDS clamshell mesh, the IMU, the temp sensor, etc.), which stops working after 6 months. Is the vector of a malicious actor taking the device and waiting 6 months before breaking in considered not worth protecting against?
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#87https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SEv2-c16.pdf
Best route is just to clone that thing somehow. IBM themselves already depreciated it in favor of a new product. Might still try to patent sue you or pull some other crap but worst case should be Chinese clones becoming available after new design is published. :) Designers of ORWL should try to copy more of the IBM thing's techniques to close gap between the two.
Far as design itself, I like that it's relatively simple, leverages a secure IC, easy to disassemble, will allow low-level modifications like firmware, and can run standard software. The next step will be a model that replaces the Intel chip with OpenSPARC, OpenPOWER, or RISC-V multicore with added components for trusted boot or I/O protections. Some are available with some coming online. Next step is using crypto to protect confidentiality & integrity of anything leaving SOC boundary so RAM is untrusted. There will be a lot of money involved for initial development and prototyping of even the first, open chip. So, I understand if they're taking it one step at a time. That's cool as long as they keep the advertising honest about risks they're keeping in for compatibility, etc.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want to get away from that kind of thing, right now I think you're options are POWER8: https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php AMD has something similar to the Intel Management Engine: https://libreboot.org/faq/#amd
Not SPARC?
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/opensparc/openspar...
The ASIC implementation was nice:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraSPARC_T2
On a 65nm node... very outdated one... it might get 8 threads in 8 cores at 1.6GHz each with hardware RNG, crypto accelerators, and hypervisor support. That's the kind of implementation that would be useless for an open-source, secure workstation, server, or HPC node. ;) Especially if one slightly increased single-core performance or cache when porting it to 45nm.
Forget that, though. Let's see what IBM will charge for their admittedly-faster pile of complicated silicon that only certain people can see which they've already turned into non-backdoored chips for you. ;)
Re: ORWL – The first open source, physically secure computer
#89How do they deal with the intel management engine in all intel chips? https://libreboot.org/faq/
Re: ORWL – The first open source, physically secure computer
#90> The battery itself is projected to last about six months without being connected to power. It seems like a lot of the security of the device depends on active scanning (e.g. the LDS clamshell mesh, the IMU, the temp sensor, etc.), which stops working after 6 months. Is the vector of a malicious actor taking the device and waiting 6 months before breaking in considered not worth protecting against?