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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by parasubvert »

DrNuke wrote: post #206
xg15 wrote: post #204

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I just think it's rational that this should be decentralized, the risk of a company turning against "us" is a lot less than a government, given history. Last time I checked, Google search had 98% market share in Germany, Android had 78% market share worldwide. I don't see how you can talk about decentralisation given dominance like that. Whether or not a de-facto monopoly is a bad thing can be argued, I guess. (I per…

Fundamentally we are being cornered, marked and forced to buy their shit whatever and whenever we need something. We can't do much as individuals but we can expect different syndicates wanting slices from the same pie: China and their soft power government, Russian gov trolls for destabilisation, etc. This makes me think the US governement is well aware and happy with this development, from their geopolitics perspect…

I'm not sure what the alternative is, or what even the problem is? Buying/trading/gifting/sharing shit makes the world go 'round.

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Post by saiya-jin »

kbart wrote: post #155
madeofpalk wrote: post #123

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Both Google and Apple are extremely important, valuable companies that have had a very significant impact on the world and culture. Google created Google - they more or less are the internet (that and Facebook) for the world. To 'Google' something is a phrase that entered into the vocabulary a very long time ago. Both their enormous presence in Internet/search, plus more cultural things like Youtube makes it unable t…

"What would have actually happened if Apple didn't make the iPhone?" I bet that nothing much different, another company would have made one in 1-2 years timeframe. The idea of "hand phone-computer" was very old (decades in sci-fi and real products in nineties called "PDA"). It just happened that around the time when Apple made the first iPhone, tech was advanced and cheap enough for the mass market. To sum up, it was…

You probably have very short memory, since when iphone 1 came out, everybody was shocked from how much better it was above anything else, and how different and better the whole experience was. Touch screen, gyroscope, sleek design compared to pen-based ridiculous slow boxy windows CE machines.

I am far from Apple fan boy and never actually owned any of their products, but boy they really brought mobile revolution to this world. It took competition many years to catch up with that, with great help of Google and their Android. Main reason why their share price skyrocketed during that time.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by DrNuke »

parasubvert wrote: post #211
DrNuke wrote: post #206

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Fundamentally we are being cornered, marked and forced to buy their shit whatever and whenever we need something. We can't do much as individuals but we can expect different syndicates wanting slices from the same pie: China and their soft power government, Russian gov trolls for destabilisation, etc. This makes me think the US governement is well aware and happy with this development, from their geopolitics perspect…

I'm not sure what the alternative is, or what even the problem is? Buying/trading/gifting/sharing shit makes the world go 'round.

You would want to support your local communities / markets maybe, now risking to become invisible or outpowered? It is called biodiversity. Very sad and dangerous for evolution a fully Googled or a fully Amazoned or a whatever monopolised world. Also dangerous: fascism and communism are made of the same metal and come from monopoly of minds and costumes.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by sharemywin »

crististm wrote: post #177
Taek wrote: post #164

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Modern machine learning depends heavily on data. If you have 100x the data, your algorithm is going to outperform a superior algorithm in most cases, because the data is the source of the intelligence. It's a big, scary barrier for startups, for innovation, and we're running the risk of creating data superpowers that can't be competed with. Some algorithms don't perform well until they have a threshold of data. When…

Actually the source of intelligence is not the data but the source of data. I've seen Norvig's video myself and while I see that they get better results with brute force on more data, that does not mean that better algorithms don't exist. In fact, I know for sure there are better algorithms (only because we have for example humans that are better than AI on certain tasks) that probably can use the available data in a…

We still have vastly superior horsepower for learning than today's computers.

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Post by [deleted] »

Taek wrote: post #170
treehau5 wrote: post #91

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It's not fear mongering. Some of the ideas I hear from people on this forum, from academia, and the likes are just downright terrifying, and we don't even know what future AI will be capable of. We have to decide as a society, and decide really soon how far we are willing to take AI research. We built the nuclear bomb, but we decided when to stop. We didn't build more advanced bombs that could level entire providence…

AI is not a genie that can be kept in a bottle. Making a nuclear bomb is a huge engineering effort. You need to build huge facilities, acquire rare resources, and potentially test it somehow. It takes a lot of energy to get there. Software on the other hand, my computer is running tens of millions of lines of code right now, and for stuff with heavy utility there's not much the government can do to get in the way. Cr…

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Post by crististm »

Taek wrote: post #181
crististm wrote: post #177

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Actually the source of intelligence is not the data but the source of data. I've seen Norvig's video myself and while I see that they get better results with brute force on more data, that does not mean that better algorithms don't exist. In fact, I know for sure there are better algorithms (only because we have for example humans that are better than AI on certain tasks) that probably can use the available data in a…

When John Green from Portland, Maine goes to Google and types in a search query for 'dirt on Mayor', I would imagine that Google is going to have an advantage over any algorithm, human or otherwise, that does not have access to things like the fact that it's John Green from Portland, does not have access to all the news coming out of Portland (at least not in the same, automated way that Google does), does not have a…

I've switched to Duck Duck Go for more than a year and do >=95% of my searches with them.

I observed there is a set of results that can be found in all engines but each engine has a smaller set that are not found on the others. For this variety of results I occasionally use both Google and Bing.

This variation algorithm that I do, is one that yields better results then sticking with the brute force of either one.

It is these "getting out of the box" algorithms that out compete brute force algorithms on the same ground. That means, with guided context your search results improve drastically.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by bloudermilk »

tdkl wrote: post #208
Taek wrote: post #164

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Modern machine learning depends heavily on data. If you have 100x the data, your algorithm is going to outperform a superior algorithm in most cases, because the data is the source of the intelligence. It's a big, scary barrier for startups, for innovation, and we're running the risk of creating data superpowers that can't be competed with. Some algorithms don't perform well until they have a threshold of data. When…

If you lost touch with people because you don't visit certain pieces of HTML code anymore, then they're not your friends. Facebook has skewed the notion of what a "friend" actually is, that's the main part of keeping people behind their fence.

As someone who's left Facebook, I respectfully disagree. Without a backup plan in place to keep in touch, quitting FB was akin to losing a large chunk of my address book. Facebook was simply my only means of communication for a significant portion of my acquaintances. It's not about some philosophical debate about what a "friend" is.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by crististm »

sharemywin wrote: post #214
crististm wrote: post #177

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Actually the source of intelligence is not the data but the source of data. I've seen Norvig's video myself and while I see that they get better results with brute force on more data, that does not mean that better algorithms don't exist. In fact, I know for sure there are better algorithms (only because we have for example humans that are better than AI on certain tasks) that probably can use the available data in a…

We still have vastly superior horsepower for learning than today's computers.

Indeed, also let's not forget that we're not (and should not be) competing with computers. What we want are the results we can get together - CAD, CAE with A from Assisted/Aided etc.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by sharemywin »

Taek wrote: post #181
crististm wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the source of intelligence is not the data but the source of data. I've seen Norvig's video myself and while I see that they get better results with brute force on more data, that does not mean that better algorithms don't exist. In fact, I know for sure there are better algorithms (only because we have for example humans that are better than AI on certain tasks) that probably can use the available data in a…

When John Green from Portland, Maine goes to Google and types in a search query for 'dirt on Mayor', I would imagine that Google is going to have an advantage over any algorithm, human or otherwise, that does not have access to things like the fact that it's John Green from Portland, does not have access to all the news coming out of Portland (at least not in the same, automated way that Google does), does not have a…

A harder things to get would be GPS data that google and apple collect one everyone.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by sharemywin »

mtgx wrote: post #198
thr0waway1239 wrote: post #138

I was starting to get worried about the data collection already happening individually at these big companies. Now that they have announced a partnership which potentially combines all this data together, I feel so much better! The funny thing is, the companies are ALWAYS going to put a positive spin on this. Not very different from the WhatsApp "we won't show ads, ever" messaging. Now I am in the camp which says "Fo…

So you're basically saying that this is a "Cartel on AI". What I'd like to see is all of the consortium members sign a pledge that none of them will sell or use their AI technology for defense/military purposes (mainly looking at you Microsoft/IBM/Amazon). I could see how 10 years down the line, the US government tries to co-opt the group to help it in its wars. This needs to be preempted now, in the same way they sh…

I wouldn't exclude facebook or google. I'm sure they've got big fat pipes that lead right to the NSA.
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