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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by turingbook »

gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

As for AI, Apple is a small and outsider player which will hurt in the long term.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by [deleted] »

eridius wrote: post #72
tomnipotent wrote: post #65

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Why are you surprised that Apple isn't involved in a field that has no material impact on their business? Outside of Siri and related projects, I don't see where AI/machine learning has any immediate benefits. Twitter and Intel missing seems like something to take note of, but I didn't even think twice about Apple. I'm more surprised GE is missing than Apple.

At WWDC they talked about how they put AI all throughout the system. It's not just when talking to Siri. It's things like suggested apps, photo tagging, deciding when to refresh apps in the background, text prediction, and probably lots of other stuff that I can't even think of because Apple's approach to AI is to make AI largely an implementation detail of the experience rather than a user-visible component.

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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by shiift »

throwaway6497 wrote: post #48

As usual Apple is missing. Pleasantly surprised to find Amazon on the list of collaborators. They usually take from open source/communities and rarely give back. This is a good change.

I agree. As an Amazon SDE this makes me quite excited for the future!

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by usgroup »

AJ007 wrote: post #120
gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

I see a list of companies which are ethically compromised. Apple has publicly taken the opposite side of the fence on this one. I'm not sure they want to be associated with Facebook, Google, Amazon or Microsoft using AI to strip apart user's private behavior and reassemble it as advertising data. Would we trust a cooperative of tobacco companies funding scientific research and ethics surrounding the use and promotion…

I think that you sir, are right on the money. An apt analogy with the tobacco industry too.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by kbart »

madeofpalk wrote: post #123
xenobioticants wrote: post #84

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'it really is a giant among giants.' You're confused. That would be Alphabet, not Apple. To put it in perspective for you, Google has: ~90% of the search market ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/216573/worldwide-market-... ) ~90% of the smartphone market ( https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/18/gartner-androids-smartphon... ) ~50% of the online advertisement market ( http://www.emarketer.com/Article/Google-Still-Domin…

Both Google and Apple are extremely important, valuable companies that have had a very significant impact on the world and culture. Google created Google - they more or less are the internet (that and Facebook) for the world. To 'Google' something is a phrase that entered into the vocabulary a very long time ago. Both their enormous presence in Internet/search, plus more cultural things like Youtube makes it unable t…

"What would have actually happened if Apple didn't make the iPhone?"

I bet that nothing much different, another company would have made one in 1-2 years timeframe. The idea of "hand phone-computer" was very old (decades in sci-fi and real products in nineties called "PDA"). It just happened that around the time when Apple made the first iPhone, tech was advanced and cheap enough for the mass market. To sum up, it was perfect timing, not revolutionary idea.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by JimDabell »

kbart wrote: post #155
madeofpalk wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both Google and Apple are extremely important, valuable companies that have had a very significant impact on the world and culture. Google created Google - they more or less are the internet (that and Facebook) for the world. To 'Google' something is a phrase that entered into the vocabulary a very long time ago. Both their enormous presence in Internet/search, plus more cultural things like Youtube makes it unable t…

"What would have actually happened if Apple didn't make the iPhone?" I bet that nothing much different, another company would have made one in 1-2 years timeframe. The idea of "hand phone-computer" was very old (decades in sci-fi and real products in nineties called "PDA"). It just happened that around the time when Apple made the first iPhone, tech was advanced and cheap enough for the mass market. To sum up, it was…

You're forgetting the massive impact the iPhone had on the mobile web.

Before the iPhone was released, the mobile web was a mixture of rudimentary WAP/WML, or if you were lucky awful browsers that tried to render HTML. Everybody hated it.

Then the iPhone was released and it had a web browser in the same ballpark as real desktop browsers. What's more, WebKit was open-source. In next to no time, all the major phone vendors had a WebKit-based browser of their own and the mobile web took off.

Yes, if Apple didn't release the iPhone, eventually we would have gotten decent mobile web browsers. But phone vendors were doing an awful job of it up until Apple moved the whole industry forward. The only other possibility would have been Opera, but that would have required unrealistic licensing deals to have the same impact as the iPhone, and Opera ended up switching to WebKit too.

You're also forgetting about the effect the App Store had on the mobile marketplace. Before the iPhone, buying a mobile application tended to be something that nobody did. Every app had to roll their own payment infrastructure – it was painful for developers to charge and it was painful for customers to pay. Then the App Store came along and made it easy. There was little movement on centralising this beforehand from any other vendor, but as soon as Apple did it, everybody else hopped on the bandwagon.

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