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The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

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Re: The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

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Someone was telling me recently that all the cheap heroin influx into the country from Mexico was the result of drug cartels losing market to marijuana and needing to come up with a cheap competitor substitute. Not sure if that was accurate or not but sort of sounds intuitive in an economic sense.

I'm still surprised how marijuana posts are so frequently pushed in HN. My take is that the effect is negative, I've seen just a ton more brazen usage out in public once this thing hit with a bunch of phony Dr prescriptions given to perfectly healthy people. It's all a ruse in my book, you're either growing in virtue or backsliding. At best drug use is suboptimal for a thriving philo-generative culture to borrow Daniel Hannan's phrase.

Re: The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a rather pedantic interpretation. To give one counterexample. Claims can have merit in terms of how the long term events that follow. I have certain ideas of what will follow from e.g. a given proposal; but that's often given many assumptions that went unstated in the original source. By knowing the direction of bias I can postulate what might come from the author's assumptions for those unknowns as well, and…

It's not pedantic, it's the only interpretation. Who says something does not alter its logical validity.

Do read the tail of my prior post. If only we were in a world where logical purism was possible you would be preaching to the choir, I promise you. But given a world with hilariously incomplete information, ESPECIALLY often when having to judge the merits of a decision, one must make a judgement that takes into account aspects outside of literal content. (If you're a CSer at all I would expect this is a very familiar concept from having to do anything from project estimation to architecture in the presence of unknowns)

(Sister post Linkregister says it better than I did, frankly)

Re: The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because who is saying something colors the merit it brings Not at all; this is the "ad hominem" logical fallacy. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ) The claims being made are objectively true or false entirely independently of any personal attributes of the person making them. In other words, who is saying something is entirely irrelevant to the merit of what they are saying.

> In other words, who is saying something is entirely irrelevant to the merit of what they are saying. Entirely true. The value in pointing out potential biases by bringing up the background of the speaker, however, is in inviting others to consider aspects of the argument (or the argument as a whole) in a critical manner.

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Re: The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

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post #51

Someone was telling me recently that all the cheap heroin influx into the country from Mexico was the result of drug cartels losing market to marijuana and needing to come up with a cheap competitor substitute. Not sure if that was accurate or not but sort of sounds intuitive in an economic sense. I'm still surprised how marijuana posts are so frequently pushed in HN. My take is that the effect is negative, I've seen…

> I've seen just a ton more brazen usage out in public once this thing hit with a bunch of phony Dr prescriptions given to perfectly healthy people.

Is that bad? You menition "backsliding" later in your comment, do you mean to imply drug use is regressive? If so, that's probably why many people on HN disagree with you.

Re: The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

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post #51

Someone was telling me recently that all the cheap heroin influx into the country from Mexico was the result of drug cartels losing market to marijuana and needing to come up with a cheap competitor substitute. Not sure if that was accurate or not but sort of sounds intuitive in an economic sense. I'm still surprised how marijuana posts are so frequently pushed in HN. My take is that the effect is negative, I've seen…

Depends on what you're optimizing for I guess.

Re: The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

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post #51

Someone was telling me recently that all the cheap heroin influx into the country from Mexico was the result of drug cartels losing market to marijuana and needing to come up with a cheap competitor substitute. Not sure if that was accurate or not but sort of sounds intuitive in an economic sense. I'm still surprised how marijuana posts are so frequently pushed in HN. My take is that the effect is negative, I've seen…

"It's all a ruse in my book" Hence the desire for legalization and proper regulation, to be rid of the phony prescriptions and have set rules on where use is acceptable.

Re: The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

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Know your source: Cato is an advocate for libertarianism, at least as envisioned by its funders, founded in part by Charles Koch, and still heavily funded and controlled by him (and I think by his brother). I don't mean that in a partisan way; you might love them, hate them, or not care one way or the other, but it's always useful to know who is talking.

Libertarianism, as envisioned by the Koch brothers, is AMAZING when you're rich. You simply remove all government functions that protect the poor from the wealthy, and re-create feudal Europe. What's not to love???

are you commenting only on the source (or rather the source's financial backers) or did you actually find some fault with the article?

Re: The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

#59
The medical community in California is supportive of legalization:

California doctors’ lobbying group formally backs marijuana legalization

http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/california-weed/...

After backing Gavin Newsom, California nurses group gets behind pot legalization

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert...

Re: The Effect of State Marijuana Legalizations

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libertarianism, as envisioned by the Koch brothers, is AMAZING when you're rich. You simply remove all government functions that protect the poor from the wealthy, and re-create feudal Europe. What's not to love???

The biggest beneficiaries of decriminalized marijuana are the people who are no longer criminals for smoking a joint.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree marijuana should be legalized. I was simply commenting on the ridiculousness of the Koch brothers version of "libertarianism". It reminds me of the people calling the nordic countries "socialist" (remind me which means of production the state has forcefully taken in Sweden). Words have meaning, and bastardizing them annoys me.
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