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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by s3r3nity » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:10 PM UTC

phodo wrote: post #5

At the risk of ad hominem, this is typical techcrunch reporting: >> "Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of whom are part of this new group." How exactly is it that TC knows that Apple has indeed fallen behind? Are they privy to the Apple ML roadmap? Are they using…

tl;dr = "citation needed" =)

I also agree with the sentiment here on TC reporting.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:11 PM UTC

phodo wrote: post #5

At the risk of ad hominem, this is typical techcrunch reporting: >> "Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of whom are part of this new group." How exactly is it that TC knows that Apple has indeed fallen behind? Are they privy to the Apple ML roadmap? Are they using…

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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by glonq » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:12 PM UTC

Job one for the AI: given the set of other companies involved in AI research, determine which one, if invited to join as a sixth partner, produces a new acronym that is less silly than "im fag"

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by cheriot » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:14 PM UTC

Apple wants to be on the right side of the anti-trust lawsuit this time. /s

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by aub3bhat » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:14 PM UTC

phodo wrote: post #5

At the risk of ad hominem, this is typical techcrunch reporting: >> "Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of whom are part of this new group." How exactly is it that TC knows that Apple has indeed fallen behind? Are they privy to the Apple ML roadmap? Are they using…

Honestly this comment reads like an emotional outburst, by someone who has zero clue about the domain.

Its very well known fact in AI/ML community, that Apple has almost little or no talent nor do they have any major efforts at organizational level (E.g. FAIR at FB, MSR, Brain & Deep Mind at Google).

>> But in Machine Translation, Apple is ahead.

LOL where did you get this from? I am pretty sure that Google NTM which was put in production yesterday is the state of the art.

Also there are metrics e.g. in the report released yesterday you can find BLEU scores on WMT 2014 tasks, and the clear conclusion is that Google is way ahead. Also when it comes to Imagenet or Coco challenges, I don't think Apple has competed in any let alone placing anywhere at top, while FB, MSR and Google all have had top models. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.08144v1.pdf

>> but the popular press is not discerning enough to make heads or tales out of what they report on, and they end up mis-educating the public.

Sorry you are wrong, the sad reality (for Apple), is that they are truly 3-4 years behind FB, MSFT & Google.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by aleeds » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:16 PM UTC

aub3bhat wrote: post #15

phodo wrote: post #5

At the risk of ad hominem, this is typical techcrunch reporting: >> "Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of whom are part of this new group." How exactly is it that TC knows that Apple has indeed fallen behind? Are they privy to the Apple ML roadmap? Are they using…

Honestly this comment reads like an emotional outburst, by someone who has zero clue about the domain. Its very well known fact in AI/ML community, that Apple has almost little or no talent nor do they have any major efforts at organizational level (E.g. FAIR at FB, MSR, Brain & Deep Mind at Google). >> But in Machine Translation, Apple is ahead. LOL where did you get this from? I am pretty sure that Google NTM which…

"But in Machine Translation, Apple is ahead." was an example of a statement that could be made if metrics existed, he is not asserting that that is true.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by Ros2 » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:18 PM UTC

phodo wrote: post #5

At the risk of ad hominem, this is typical techcrunch reporting: >> "Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of whom are part of this new group." How exactly is it that TC knows that Apple has indeed fallen behind? Are they privy to the Apple ML roadmap? Are they using…

Apple can't figure out that I don't want to say 'ducking' after hundreds of times of dismissing it with their keyboard.

Siri never delivered on what was promised--part of the reason the microphone in the new wireless earbuds is so laughable.

Apple currently has no answer to Allo or chat bots in general.

>For example, see the article floating a few weeks ago on Medium (I think) on how Apple was embedding ML in everything.

Plans are easy to talk about. You seem to want to give Apple a lot of credit for things going on behind closed doors.

As far as the consumer can see, they have fallen behind.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by jacques_chester » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:18 PM UTC

apsec112 wrote: post #4

Are LeCun, Corrado, etc. actually running this? They're pretty busy, and the website doesn't sound like them: "We believe that by taking a multi-party stakeholder approach to identifying and addressing challenges and opportunities in an open and inclusive manner, we can have the greatest benefit and positive impact for the users of AI technologies. While the Partnership on AI was founded by five major IT companies, t…

> This sounds like it was written by some PR person.

It probably was. The article is pretty clearly a press release with some touch-up.

This happens a lot when the pressure is to be first to publish. Someone gives you a completely-written "story" and off you go.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by pron » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:18 PM UTC

Calling simple statistical clustering algorithms that are tweaked by lots of trial-and-error heuristics "AI" feels like calling those slow two-wheeled electric self-balancing skateboards "hoverboards". Sometimes marketing can be too dramatic.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 28, 2016, 10:19 PM UTC

aub3bhat wrote: post #15

phodo wrote: post #5

At the risk of ad hominem, this is typical techcrunch reporting: >> "Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of whom are part of this new group." How exactly is it that TC knows that Apple has indeed fallen behind? Are they privy to the Apple ML roadmap? Are they using…

Honestly this comment reads like an emotional outburst, by someone who has zero clue about the domain. Its very well known fact in AI/ML community, that Apple has almost little or no talent nor do they have any major efforts at organizational level (E.g. FAIR at FB, MSR, Brain & Deep Mind at Google). >> But in Machine Translation, Apple is ahead. LOL where did you get this from? I am pretty sure that Google NTM which…

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