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Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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Re: Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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Anyway, it seems like a mystery to me why tech firms like Google set up shop in small expensive Zurich instead of say cheaper, bigger Barcelona or Vienna, for example. The reason is simple: tax-evation and the like.

Isn't one appeal of the city being able to attract talent from ETH Zurich?

Re: Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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I always feel like it is unfair how we place different European nations in same category as the US in these rankings or whatever, and for the US, we average over all the states in the US. As homogenous the US is, different states have different economies, different laws, in some cases, some slight but important cultural differences. Is it really fair to say have the US compete on terms of "competitiveness" or in othe…

Until California, Texas, New York, etc become independent countries, the comparison will always be made against the US.

I'm sure some folks in Texas are itching to secede, but until that happens, we compare other countries with the US, not California, Texas, or New York.

Re: Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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I always feel like it is unfair how we place different European nations in same category as the US in these rankings or whatever, and for the US, we average over all the states in the US. As homogenous the US is, different states have different economies, different laws, in some cases, some slight but important cultural differences. Is it really fair to say have the US compete on terms of "competitiveness" or in othe…

> different states have different economies Eh, not really. Central bank-controlled states are a reasonable grouping measure, which is why it's the US, EU, Switzerland, the UK, etc. that people compare (even though the UK is part of the EU, and Switzerland has signed on to most economic measures the EU mandates).

It's different enough. They are notable enough for their own wiki pages. Analysts spend their careers studying individual states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas

Maybe 'central bank control' is a reasonable grouping measure, but 'size of economy' is also reasonable. There is certainly more nuance than a simple ranking can model.

And the 'central bank' argument is muddied by the existence of the Euro and the particular economic struggles of countries like Greece.

Re: Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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I always feel like it is unfair how we place different European nations in same category as the US in these rankings or whatever, and for the US, we average over all the states in the US. As homogenous the US is, different states have different economies, different laws, in some cases, some slight but important cultural differences. Is it really fair to say have the US compete on terms of "competitiveness" or in othe…

Whether talking about the US as a whole or any particular state, we don't compare to the modern European countries.

One important way we don't compare is that healthcare and retirement costs are a massive drag on our economy. Just an hour ago I received an e-mail from my employer letting me know that their 401k matching is decreasing 1% next year, but that they're cool with it because it's still "competitive". The reality is that many Americans working today will never afford to retire. And at some point in the future they will not be able to afford their healthcare either.

How can we talk about productivity and competitiveness when we can't even afford to keep ourselves alive and healthy?

TL;DR; American competitiveness is a joke.

Re: Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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I always feel like it is unfair how we place different European nations in same category as the US in these rankings or whatever, and for the US, we average over all the states in the US. As homogenous the US is, different states have different economies, different laws, in some cases, some slight but important cultural differences. Is it really fair to say have the US compete on terms of "competitiveness" or in othe…

Does that mean you should breakout London from the rest of the UK? Frankfurt from Germany?

Re: Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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It better be, given the cost of living and the salaries here… :-) On a more serious note, although I have no idea how this report was produced, one might note that it was produced by the WEF (a business-friendly Swiss organisation) and that it may well be part of the ongoing political debate in Switzerland on how to implement the referendum result on restricting immigration. I'm not saying it's right, wrong, objectiv…

Is the cost of living proportional to competitiveness? Anyway, it seems like a mystery to me why tech firms like Google set up shop in small expensive Zurich instead of say cheaper, bigger Barcelona or Vienna, for example. I'd love to know what the incentives are for them.

Taxes and payroll taxes are much lower in Switzerland than in France, for example, so an employee might cost the same to the company in both countries, but have much more net income in Switzerland.

Most people don't see payroll taxes, only income taxes.

Having a large percentage of foreigners and English-speakers also contributes to that, as well as the clustering effect (IBM Research has a lab in Zurich since 1956).

Re: Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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Anyway, it seems like a mystery to me why tech firms like Google set up shop in small expensive Zurich instead of say cheaper, bigger Barcelona or Vienna, for example. The reason is simple: tax-evation and the like.

But why Zürich which has a relatively high tax rate compared to for example Zug?

Zurich has an international airport, Zug doesn't

Re: Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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I always feel like it is unfair how we place different European nations in same category as the US in these rankings or whatever, and for the US, we average over all the states in the US. As homogenous the US is, different states have different economies, different laws, in some cases, some slight but important cultural differences. Is it really fair to say have the US compete on terms of "competitiveness" or in othe…

In that regard, is it really fair that the US has a single Olympics team? Or a single world-level anything team?

There are completely different purposes for the Olympic games and a ranking of economies. We-have-a-different-flag is perfectly fine for the purposes of friendly competition. Something with more justification is appropriate for discussing economies, especially since the boundaries of 'an economy' are naturally nebulous.

Re: Switzerland is the world’s most competitive economy

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I always feel like it is unfair how we place different European nations in same category as the US in these rankings or whatever, and for the US, we average over all the states in the US. As homogenous the US is, different states have different economies, different laws, in some cases, some slight but important cultural differences. Is it really fair to say have the US compete on terms of "competitiveness" or in othe…

Those negative cultural attitudes that can hold back a vast country packed with resource that has oceans separating it form two world wars maybe should be fixed.

Otherwise one must wonder what is the point in remaining a single nation if the end result is always less happiness, education and "competitiveness".

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