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Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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Due to a lower atmospheric pressure (0.087 psi compared to Earth's 14.69 psi), water in mars begins to boil at 10 degrees Celsius, or 50 Fahrenheit.

Gravity in Mars is 3.7 m/s², compared to 9.8 m/s². In a way, it's convenient since it would take less effort to reach Martian escape velocity.

Mars does not have a magnetosphere, and therefore little protection from radiation. The technology to induce a planetary magnetosphere does not exist. If Mars does form an atmosphere, it can be lost to space during increased solar activity.

What I think is that our best chance is to send robots to prepare an habitat for the first manned visits.

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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> Keeping humans alive on THE MOON starting from now is vastly easier to comprehend than putting a man on the moon starting from 1950 Fixed. Mars is impossible, for now. We haven't kept someone in space long enough to reach mars nor have we developed a sustainable model that's extraterrestrially tested. Mars has more problems than a moon base, not significantly less (there's a few small pros and cons but being so far…

Nope, I meant what I said. The moon was impossible in 1950. Actually impossible, not just expensive like getting someone to Mars in the very near future. The tech didn't exist. > We haven't kept someone in space long enough to reach mars nor have we developed a sustainable model that's extraterrestrially tested SpaceX claims to be able to do it in as little as 90 days. You can go a lot faster with more free fuel. We'…

> Actually impossible, not just expensive like getting someone to Mars in the very near future. The tech didn't exist.

What about the tech to grow food in space? Is it "just expensive" or it doesn't exists? I think it doesn't exist.

I think we need a dedicated food-growing space lab, and run it for least 10 years, until we're confident we have a robust technology that works.

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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Watching live the announcement and presentation by Elon on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YxNYiyALg Where the hell did they get this audience from? Is this hosted on a frat house with some academic invites? There's a dude jokingly saying that burning man felt like mars with a lot of shit and no water, there's a guy plugging his comic book, there's a guy making a joke on how we should send Michael Cera to Mars, a g…

I bet/hope that next time he has his staff vet the questioners. Those publicity stunts wasted valuable time.

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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Watching live the announcement and presentation by Elon on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YxNYiyALg Where the hell did they get this audience from? Is this hosted on a frat house with some academic invites? There's a dude jokingly saying that burning man felt like mars with a lot of shit and no water, there's a guy plugging his comic book, there's a guy making a joke on how we should send Michael Cera to Mars, a g…

Yes, I was extremely irritated by the questions.

I was actually there in the audience. Trust me, all the experts in the room, from all over the aerospace industry, were very irritated too. Many folks walked out of the room when people started asking silly questions.

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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I wonder what would be people's daily routine on mars. How colony with of thousands people will be organised? Would they have as much freedom as we have on earth, or the whole colony needs to be organized from bottom to top as the anthill colony.

Bootstrapping the local infrastructure. Think of it like a game. You start off with a lathe and a CNC mill and some 3D printers and a bunch of other stuff. You now need to grow crops on Mars. You need to refine Iron ore and produce high quality steel. You need to manufacture plastics, glass, concrete. You need to mine water ice to make water. You need to use electrolysis to make Hydrogen to feed the Sabatier reactor…

> even a poet

since there is a ~10 minute delay when accessing the internet, I think any form of entertainers would be quite sought after :)

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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I created an account just to post this. The Q&A was the worst Q&A I have ever seen. Truly awful. I usually am a pretty calm person but watching that made my blood boil. This venture could well be one of the most important things to happen to humanity, and those were the questions that people asked. The questions were awful at all levels. Featured self promotion, ignorance and plain stupidity. I just needed to get thi…

Yes I was there. Trust me, you're not the only one that felt that way. Almost everyone in the audience are very smart, respected people in the aerospace industry. Scientists, engineers, you name it. Many walked out very irritated.

Lot's of people from outside of the industry went to the event, just to see this talk.

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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I've considered the question before, and I considered it again while watching this - would I go? I've decided that I would, if given the opportunity. I'm an engineer. I'm in excellent physical health. I have a family, but they are at a point where they can get along without me. But then I consider that there are or will be hundreds of thousands of others who are in the same situation and also wish to join the queue.

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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I wrote a brief blog post on some of the major challenges to get this going. Musk's hesitancy to a deadline is great. :) It makes sense, hard to predict the future.

http://engineersf.com/12-reasons-spacex-wont-fly-a-manned-mi...

There's a ton of cool problems lurking around the corner. I hope humanity backs the public part of this public-private partnership.

1. Cargo Capacity — Scaling is Hard.

2. Proper Maintenance — Accessibility is Important

3. MTBF Expectations are too high.

4. Jet Fuel is Corrosive and Methalox engines are a tough design proposition.

5. Cosmic Radiation — Impedes human interoperability.

6. Solar Panels —Mars Dust Storms impede sunlight.

7. Living Module — 7 month duration for a living module.

8. Microbial Realities — We rely on microbes to live.

9. Parachute Design — Size vs. Thrust vs. Jettisoning Fuel

10. Electronic Protection — Shielding is Resource/Weight Intensive.

11. Eye Sight — Your ability to see diminishes in space and we don’t quite know how this works fully. (This one is huge)

12. Muscle Loss- you lose muscle mass as you stay longer in space.

To give some context around how difficult it is to build mega engineering projects in the hey day of innovation, just think about Steel. There's over 3K different types of steel and 70%+ were invented in the last 20 years.

Timing, sequence, funding, and focus are going to be such a huge part of this.

5,8,11,12 are really tough. I think the other ones are solvable in some way right now, but will take some configuration/tinkering/experimentation for sure. Plenty of engineers are motivated to work on this kind of thing though, so that's a good signal.

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As engineers (or hackers, whatever) we are supposed to be naturally skeptical, in the words of someone wiser than me, "good programmers look both ways when crossing a one way street."

Biking in New York City taught me that. I know it wasn't the programming, because that came second. Funny how many pedestrians look the wrong way when crossing a two way street...maybe they're going with 50/50 chances?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WfUnwynwZvE
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