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Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by thesandlord »

AdamN wrote: post #26
0xFFC wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you , but what I meant was in heavy work load. I know the basic ideas. But I am curious in heavy work load which one is preferred for what. AFAIK Spotify went with GCP, many big companies went with azure, most startups chose AWS. What was the reason behind these, personal preference? Or technical superiority? The reason for my curiosity is Microsoft and Oracle kind of sees Cloud Computing as life and death situ…

People generally say Azure suits the enterprise, AWS suits tech-driven companies (i.e. those where the CEO knows what an API is), and Google supports special/hobby projects. Google is probably awesome but nobody trusts them to not just abandon the whole thing in a few years time. Amazon and Azure are going to be around for at least a decade.

Google is not going to abandon cloud. I'm not sure anything I say can convince you, but the fact the Spotify, Evernote, Disney, Home Depot, Snapchat, etc all run on GCP says a lot.

Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by rcarmo »

pjmlp wrote: post #17
STRML wrote: post #11

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Yeah, absolutely no reason you couldn't do this (quickly) with Node. The only reason I see to use Python over Node here is for a smaller dep tree (sane Node development still requires a lot of dependencies) and some more mature CLI libraries - lots of CLI apps are written in Python.

"have also heard, especially from customers working with Linux, about our XPlat CLI and its poor integration with popular Linux command-line tools as well as difficulties with installing and maintaining the Node environment" https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/announcing-azure-cli-...

Yep. This. I know it's not cool to point this out and that front-end folks upgrade Node all the time, but installing Node on a "normal" machine inside your average IT environment is a complete pain, whereas you can do pip install azure-cli as a regular user without installing anything else on most Linux distros out of the box.

Also, I've had nothing but trouble with recent Node versions (and I'm a pyenv/rbenv/*env/etc. guy, have multiple runtimes of everything around, etc. - but most people would try once and never try again).

Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by at-fates-hands »

mhuffman wrote: post #29
jimjimjim wrote: post #20

This reminds me of companies rewriting applications from VB to c++/c#. Half the people complained about VB being good enough and more popular. But the overall feeling was that once the rapid application dev version is out the door and ok then it's a good time to redo it with something more engineering-y, for long term support before the first version gets too ossified. (i'm sure i'm going to burn karma for comparing…

> i'm sure i'm going to burn karma for comparing node with vb but... I'll take the hit for you and flat-out say that node.js is the new VB. In fact, for those of you that have been around a while, I think we can all agree that node.js is the new PHP was the new Visual Basic, etc. Not in the sense that they do the same things, but that they were purposely built for non-programmers (baby-devs) to be able to program (wh…

>> but by the same token, invited entire (and continuing) mountains of half-assed, unsupported(unsupportable) code that just begets generations of garbage.

Isn't it possible to say this for just about every programming language?

Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by sagivo »

motivation:

- Dependency management for Node.js adds maintenance costs for Linux distributions.

- Cloud tooling vendors prefer Python to match AWS CLI and GCloud CLI.

- Python offers a more mature platform for building CLIs Python is typically available on Linux distributions by default.

- While none of these reasons precluded building the next CLI in Node.js, Python was the natural choice.

taken from here - https://github.com/Azure/azure-cli/wiki/Motivation

Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by raverbashing »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #33
mhuffman wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> i'm sure i'm going to burn karma for comparing node with vb but... I'll take the hit for you and flat-out say that node.js is the new VB. In fact, for those of you that have been around a while, I think we can all agree that node.js is the new PHP was the new Visual Basic, etc. Not in the sense that they do the same things, but that they were purposely built for non-programmers (baby-devs) to be able to program (wh…

>> but by the same token, invited entire (and continuing) mountains of half-assed, unsupported(unsupportable) code that just begets generations of garbage. Isn't it possible to say this for just about every programming language?

Not really

The lower the barrier to entry, the more "inexperienced" people you get

And with nodejs the inmates are running the asylum

There is great nodejs code, for sure. But as left pad has shown us, it seems it is a big "Neverland"

Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by thesandlord »

0xFFC wrote: post #7
thesandlord wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of these platforms offer a free trial and a lot of products have free tiers. I'd check them out and decide for yourself. (I work for Google Cloud and am happy to answer questions about GCP)

Thank you , but what I meant was in heavy work load. I know the basic ideas. But I am curious in heavy work load which one is preferred for what. AFAIK Spotify went with GCP, many big companies went with azure, most startups chose AWS. What was the reason behind these, personal preference? Or technical superiority? The reason for my curiosity is Microsoft and Oracle kind of sees Cloud Computing as life and death situ…

I'd say with GCP, the managed services are key. Pub/Sub, Global Load Balancing, Firebase, BigQuery, Container Engine, etc. They just work, no need to mess with things. Price to Performance and simplicity is also good, but that's secondary IMO. I'm obviously biased, but hey!

With AWS, the ecosystem is massive. They also have the most features (though GCP and Azure have their own unique features and are catching up fast).

I haven't used Azure, can't really comment on it.

Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by mhuffman »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #33
mhuffman wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> i'm sure i'm going to burn karma for comparing node with vb but... I'll take the hit for you and flat-out say that node.js is the new VB. In fact, for those of you that have been around a while, I think we can all agree that node.js is the new PHP was the new Visual Basic, etc. Not in the sense that they do the same things, but that they were purposely built for non-programmers (baby-devs) to be able to program (wh…

>> but by the same token, invited entire (and continuing) mountains of half-assed, unsupported(unsupportable) code that just begets generations of garbage. Isn't it possible to say this for just about every programming language?

Bad code? Yes!

But C++, Java, Perl, even Python has a bit of a learning curve that demands some small amount of commitment (and more importantly, understanding) to get moving with.

Javascript, VB, PHP can get a person creating things in an afternoon (which I am not against, I like that it might inspire people to get into "real" development), which invites hit-and-run development.

Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by arisAlexis »

mhuffman wrote: post #29
jimjimjim wrote: post #20

This reminds me of companies rewriting applications from VB to c++/c#. Half the people complained about VB being good enough and more popular. But the overall feeling was that once the rapid application dev version is out the door and ok then it's a good time to redo it with something more engineering-y, for long term support before the first version gets too ossified. (i'm sure i'm going to burn karma for comparing…

> i'm sure i'm going to burn karma for comparing node with vb but... I'll take the hit for you and flat-out say that node.js is the new VB. In fact, for those of you that have been around a while, I think we can all agree that node.js is the new PHP was the new Visual Basic, etc. Not in the sense that they do the same things, but that they were purposely built for non-programmers (baby-devs) to be able to program (wh…

Seems like javascript is picked up by giants (microsoft build its IDE) facebook (React?) Google (angular) so I guess you cant compare it with VB unlesss I missed something in the 90s

Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by rationalthug »

mhuffman wrote: post #29
jimjimjim wrote: post #20

This reminds me of companies rewriting applications from VB to c++/c#. Half the people complained about VB being good enough and more popular. But the overall feeling was that once the rapid application dev version is out the door and ok then it's a good time to redo it with something more engineering-y, for long term support before the first version gets too ossified. (i'm sure i'm going to burn karma for comparing…

> i'm sure i'm going to burn karma for comparing node with vb but... I'll take the hit for you and flat-out say that node.js is the new VB. In fact, for those of you that have been around a while, I think we can all agree that node.js is the new PHP was the new Visual Basic, etc. Not in the sense that they do the same things, but that they were purposely built for non-programmers (baby-devs) to be able to program (wh…

You do realize that Python was not only built to appeal to "non-devs" as well ad devs but, does, in fact, enjoy some of its strongest support from them- scientists, engineers, statisticians, etc., who do not consider themselves to be good developers. And, man, they can develop some crappy code/systems in Python too.

I like Python too (as well as node,) but your characterization of node is over-broad and, imo, inaccurate.

Re: Announcing Azure Command-Line Interface 2.0 Preview

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Post by rootusrootus »

arisAlexis wrote: post #38
mhuffman wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> i'm sure i'm going to burn karma for comparing node with vb but... I'll take the hit for you and flat-out say that node.js is the new VB. In fact, for those of you that have been around a while, I think we can all agree that node.js is the new PHP was the new Visual Basic, etc. Not in the sense that they do the same things, but that they were purposely built for non-programmers (baby-devs) to be able to program (wh…

Seems like javascript is picked up by giants (microsoft build its IDE) facebook (React?) Google (angular) so I guess you cant compare it with VB unlesss I missed something in the 90s

I think you might be missing the distinction in the above post. Node.JS != Javascript.
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