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UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by Can_Not »

joelthelion wrote: post #320
echelon wrote: post #82

Is there a decent alternative to Chrome on Android? I am absolutely, nauseatingly sick of ads on mobile. Almost every news website I visit fills the browser with full screen ads that are infuriatingly difficult to close, change the scrolling behavior and viewport in an entirely unusable way, or try to launch Google Play Store links in the background. It's so annoying, and definitely to the point of being one of my to…

I really like Firefox with uBlock origin.

Firefox UI and performance on desktop has been pretty meh for me lately. But on mobile Android, chrome is terrible and awkward to use. I feel like everything it does is both slow and the opposite of what I expect. Firefox with uBlock origin on mobile has been a really enjoyable experience. On the other hand, I'll starting to like Firefox developer edition on desktop.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by floatingatoll »

eloston wrote: post #59
floatingatoll wrote: post #49

It's unfortunate that valuable and useful privacy enhancements were combined with "wishlist"-level changes like "disable the tab close event in Javascript". While many may not like the uses of that event, it taints what otherwise could have been a "purely about privacy" fork of Chromium with non-privacy opinions.

Yes, I've realized this and made an issue for this: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/issues/38 If you have the computing resources, you can easily take out the patch that does the "wishlist" changes you don't want.

Neat! Thank you for considering it.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by creationix »

sprafa wrote: post #214
tajen wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Women resign everyday "because they can't manage effectively" when, if fact, it's harassment. You could justify any discrimination with "he quit, that was his choice". Today the discrimination is against someone who held a political opinion some day in his past. Or should I say "in his/her/its/Apachehelicopter" past as to not assume their gender and not condemn my future ability to be CEO?

He is not a woman and he is not a part of an historically discriminated against group. You're making a huge false equivalence that ignores one simple thing: he resigned BECAUSE he was found to support discriminatory policies. If the problem is discrimination then he was part of the problem. Women who resigned because they are harassed are victims of discrimination. Men who resign because they SUPPORT discrimination a…

Wait, you're yelling "huge false equivalence" and then compare supporting what was a popular political viewpoint (Even Obama and the majority of California voters supported it back when Eich made the donation) to being as objectively wrong as murder?

What kind of self-reinforcing social bubble have you created that makes you think those two are equivalent? You say "crime" and "was clearly guilty" for actions that are explicitly protected under the law. Do you know what crime is?

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by BrendanEich »

stephenr wrote: post #387
BrendanEich wrote: post #384

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Yes, excuse -- you need one to account for making stuff up ("the staff didn't respect him") based on nothing but your own irrational animus, aka bigotry. Don't change the subject. Blathering in five paragraphs about irrelevancies does not justify your bogus and malicious assertion. Here is a free clue that might help you understand things, or not: in my personal experience apart from Mozilla, both at past jobs and fr…

If the staff felt they needed to make your prior pilicital donations more widely known, I'm pretty sure some of them didn't respect you. Your words are insinuating that you were in fact forced to leave. In civilised countries we have things like unfair dismissal laws. But hey, 'Murica. Do what you want. Think what you want. I'm not changing any subjects - i tried to remind you of the original subject.

You made a false statement about me. Have the decency to admit it instead of doubling down.

Obviously I didn't get appointed CEO with a plan to leave Mozilla as quickly as I did. This does not mean I was "forced". I resigned, I've said this many times on HN and of course, at the time, on my blog and in a message to Mozilla employees. That my sole official statement is open to interpretation is industry-standard, and its being vague does not give you license to make stuff up.

No "staff" made my prior "pilicital donations" more widely known. Tim Chevalier had already quit Mozilla in 2013 (see https://tim.dreamwidth.org/1832202.html). Your typo and the easily falsified reference to Tim demonstrate that you are phoning it in. Up your game or give it a rest.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by nialv7 »

odbol_ wrote: post #348
wcummings wrote: post #341

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>Please do not do this. Webgl and Webrtc are fundamental technologies needed to efficiently do basic activities like process an image or send sound data to another user. >fundamental technologies >basic activities >process an image or send sound data to another user. We must live in different worlds, those are not "basic" or "fundamental" to me. I'm not sure I've ever used either. >the AR/VR age You're overstating ho…

IPFS already has a peer-to-peer chat room that can share messages, files, and streaming videos without a central server . This means users have a way to share content without worrying that it could fall into the wrong hands or be censored by big entities like corporations or governments. And it all depends on tech like WebRTC. That kind of infrastructure is crucial to the freedom of information and therefore the free…

You are misunderstanding. WebRTC itself already needs a central server.

Also, what you described is certainly a good thing. But I'm pretty sure it doesn't _have to_ be done in a browser.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by creationix »

Frondo wrote: post #162
smsm42 wrote: post #150

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> Eich resigned because his political views made it difficult for him to continue doing his job. This is a very disingenuous way of describing it. More proper way to describe it would be that a group of political activists put pressure on Mozilla to fire Eich because of his political views, for political reasons, and Mozilla as organization caved. There was no instance of Eich's views ever influencing anything on his…

"There was no instance of Eich's views ever influencing anything on his job, and no single instance or evidence of any problem with his job." I don't know if that's true. I don't know how many gay folks work for Mozilla, but I'm 100% it's a non-zero number. They might have had a real problem with his donating to Prop 8. I couldn't say whether they did, being neither gay nor a mozilla employee, but I could imagine it…

Exactly, you don't know if that's true.

From my personal experience talking to actual mozilla employees and reading blog posts by mozilla employees, that statement looks pretty true. Even LGBT employees supported him through the ordeal. Yes mozilla the company had some problems with it's policies, but from what I've heard directly from insiders, Eich was partnering with the LGBT people to solve their problems and never acted in and discriminatory manner against them. Loosing him hurt their cause and the company.

Please do some research on what actually happened instead of blindly jumping on the popular bandwagon.

Of course there were employees who were unhappy when they learned about his donation. In fact they were quite surprised because of how professionally he did his job.

But I have never heard of any thing he's ever done to act in a discriminatory manner on the job. I have heard of cases where he actually protected such people and helped improve things internally.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by gnarbarian »

BrendanEich wrote: post #394
stephenr wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the staff felt they needed to make your prior pilicital donations more widely known, I'm pretty sure some of them didn't respect you. Your words are insinuating that you were in fact forced to leave. In civilised countries we have things like unfair dismissal laws. But hey, 'Murica. Do what you want. Think what you want. I'm not changing any subjects - i tried to remind you of the original subject.

You made a false statement about me. Have the decency to admit it instead of doubling down. Obviously I didn't get appointed CEO with a plan to leave Mozilla as quickly as I did. This does not mean I was "forced". I resigned, I've said this many times on HN and of course, at the time, on my blog and in a message to Mozilla employees. That my sole official statement is open to interpretation is industry-standard, and…

From my perspective You were the victim of a witch-hunt on a slow news day. Followed by a focused campaign against Mozilla by a dedicated group of troll-activists who knew where to put the most pressure via third parties. They knew how to make themselves appear larger than they really were.

It's happened a few times since then but none were as successful as the attack on you. (Dropbox, Donglegate, Crockford, Palmer Luckey etc.)

The troll's success with Mozilla has led them to attack other open source projects as well with small, loud mobs shaking down various projects on GitHub for fealty through codes of conduct and inane commits removing or editing things they perceive as offensive.

I really dislike this trend in the tech industry. Software ought to be apolitical. There shouldn't be a conservative browser and a liberal one. Being a libertarian leaning conservative I run up against this kind of left wing xenophobia all the time. I worry it's only a matter of time before it happens to me as well.

I hope this hasn't destroyed your career prospects for the future. Have you had trouble finding work since the incident?

By the way I'm sorry for initially saying you were fired from Mozilla. A more nuanced description was warranted.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by BrendanEich »

gnarbarian wrote: post #397
BrendanEich wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You made a false statement about me. Have the decency to admit it instead of doubling down. Obviously I didn't get appointed CEO with a plan to leave Mozilla as quickly as I did. This does not mean I was "forced". I resigned, I've said this many times on HN and of course, at the time, on my blog and in a message to Mozilla employees. That my sole official statement is open to interpretation is industry-standard, and…

From my perspective You were the victim of a witch-hunt on a slow news day. Followed by a focused campaign against Mozilla by a dedicated group of troll-activists who knew where to put the most pressure via third parties. They knew how to make themselves appear larger than they really were. It's happened a few times since then but none were as successful as the attack on you. (Dropbox, Donglegate, Crockford, Palmer L…

Thanks for the kind words. Have you tried https://brave.com/ yet?

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by gnarbarian »

BrendanEich wrote: post #398
gnarbarian wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my perspective You were the victim of a witch-hunt on a slow news day. Followed by a focused campaign against Mozilla by a dedicated group of troll-activists who knew where to put the most pressure via third parties. They knew how to make themselves appear larger than they really were. It's happened a few times since then but none were as successful as the attack on you. (Dropbox, Donglegate, Crockford, Palmer L…

Thanks for the kind words. Have you tried https://brave.com/ yet?

Just installed it. Seems like a great idea to me.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by eatbitseveryday »

eatbitseveryday wrote: post #365

Do extensions work with this build of the browser? I cannot seem to install Privacy Badger from the Chrome webstore.

Ah, you have to look at the FAQ[1]

[1] https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/blob/master/FA...

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