Number 1 reason why I didn't pick up an Panasonic 4K TV, because i knew Firefox OS will be dead some day. And number one reason why I REALLY want an APPLE TV Set rather then Apple TV STB. Most of the Smart TV on the market today are total piece of Junk. They are what "Smart"phones were before the iPhone came out. As a matter of fact, SmartTV from China are pretty good on the software front, and lacking ( price cuttin…
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#203Number 1 reason why I didn't pick up an Panasonic 4K TV, because i knew Firefox OS will be dead some day. And number one reason why I REALLY want an APPLE TV Set rather then Apple TV STB. Most of the Smart TV on the market today are total piece of Junk. They are what "Smart"phones were before the iPhone came out. As a matter of fact, SmartTV from China are pretty good on the software front, and lacking ( price cuttin…
I want a dumb display and a smart STB -- because I don't want to have to replace a thousand-dollar display just to get new STB hardware. It's why I have a TV and a Roku, rather than a Roku TV. Why combine them when their upgrade cycles don't match up?
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#204So we had Jolla, Ubuntu, Mozilla and even Microsoft trying to create a new major player in the mobile OSs market - all pretty much failed to do so. Is it practically impossible? Are we stuck with Android and iOS forever? This tiny selection of options worries me.
I really want the Tizen project to succeed. It's tragic that this doesn't even run on mainstream Samsung devices. Talk about faith in their own work!
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#205A major shame that we are moving our technology from open playforms built to empower to walled gardens built to consume. One day maybe it will shift towards something more progressive again.
The most bizarre thing about this is that geeks now even manage to rationalize this away. That iOS/Apple (of today) are so revered by open-systems loving folks is a little bit counterintuitive.
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Both are still profitable in the tens of billions. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/google-s-... $22 billion profit. iOS is a bit more complicated to value, but they've made more than $10 billion just in app store commissions (even not counting increased sales of hardware due to iOS). So if you consider the cost of iOS development as weighed against their hardware sales, and book the software as pro…
Google might be, but not the phone manufacturers...except maybe Samsung but it's marginal compared to what share Apple gets.
Samsung is pulling in about $4B profit per quarter from their smartphones. "Marginal"? In what universe is $16B per year "marginal"? Certainly not this universe.
Just as a point of reference, Samsung's smartphone profits are greater than Walmart's profits. It's greater than the overwhelming bulk of world corporations.
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Yes, of course. I don't remember the last time I made a voice call, so I don't care at all about that functionality. Really, all I care about is receiving SMS.
I suppose the concern is more regarding the clunkiness of the design, as in, "it doesn't fit in my jeans pocket", not so much the functionality. Like you say, "phone" today is really just a moniker for "tech device I always carry on me".
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#208It's a tough market because as soon as you release something, there is a ticking clock until all of the low cost manufacturers release something cheaper and faster. Moore's law is not your friend when you're trying to differentiate a mobile product.
Beyond that general difficulty, a web phone faces some specific inevitable challenges:
1) No access to the "app world" of Instagram, Snapchat, etc
2) Can't optimize performance to the same degree
3) Web app access to hardware devices is limited
I think those are things you can't fight, you just have to accept them, but they are really hard to accept. This is the key psychological hurdle in any new web phone design project.
But let's get over them for a second and see what we're left with. The web also has some indominable advantages:
1) Instantaneous installation/startup of new "apps"
2) Long tail of web content can be a first class citizen in the UI
3) Novice-friendly development platform, i.e. "show source", embeddable HTML widgets, etc
4) Cloud-based by default
5) A community who will deploy infrastructure for free, so long as it is open source and decentralized
If I squint my eyes, I can imagine a web browser that really tries to capitalize on these things. From first principles, I think a development platform where the infrastructure for getting started is free-ish, apps and development environments all load instantaneously, data is never lost because it always lives in the cloud, emerging standards allow data to federate freely between services... you just float around allowing app access to your cloud data... such a platform would have substantial advantages over something like iOS or Android.
Those advantages may or may not be able to outweigh the inherent platform weaknesses I mentioned, but I can at least imagine it becoming a major player on mobile.
I think the trouble for Mozilla is there are still quite a few research projects there:
How do you federate data between services?
How do you host open source web apps in such a way that neither the programmer nor the end user has to be a sysadmin?
How do you make it easy to write performant, mobile friendly apps?
How do you organize a decentralized global community to adopt good usability practices?
How do you design a web browser so that web developers can make simple, fully integrated apps that fit into a more unified mobile experience?
I think if you could design something that at least solved all of these problems in a simplistic way—not fully robust, but a proof of concept with a few core apps, messaging, video, etc—and you really leaned in to the kinds of experiences that become uniquely possible on a platform like this, and then refine the shit out of it in an empirical Apple-style user-centered design tsunami, I think you might have a leapfrog product that could put Android and iOS on their heels.
Maybe.
If you could make it fundamentally easier to build and deploy web apps, you could get a huge store of long tail apps, which would form a kind of exclusive content moat. Not because those apps would be inaccessible on iOS or Android, but because they would be second-class citizens there.
To different extents Google and Mozilla have both been trying to tackle some or all of these research projects in different ways. But I'm not even sure if it's time yet. Maybe we just need to wait a little until some more of these answers shake out. Or maybe Mozilla just lacked the strategic vision to really know what to hammer hard on here.
But I am totally grateful to them (and Google) for trying. I still am drinking the Kool-aid. I still think the web is the future. Thousands of people are working on these problems all over the world. I think as Ethereum matures, it will fill in a lot of the gaps.
So, I think the Firefox can rise again. We'll see.
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You suggest using that monstrosity as a phone ?
Yes, of course. I don't remember the last time I made a voice call, so I don't care at all about that functionality. Really, all I care about is receiving SMS.
Also, does this thing even receive SMS? The page makes no mention of phone support.
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#210Maybe they could work on Thunderbird again; that's a product actually used that doesn't have many real competitors.